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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I honestly don't care who is right and who is wrong in this dispute. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Both sides could make the case that they deserve more money. Both sides can be accused of ...

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Old 09-11-2010, 11:40 AM   #21
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I honestly don't care who is right and who is wrong in this dispute. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Both sides could make the case that they deserve more money. Both sides can be accused of being greedy and delusional.

What I do know is that that players' show of solidarity rubbed me the wrong way. Making a symbolic solidarity gesture before the game turned me against the players. I do not care to side in all these fiscal squabbles because they seem ridiculous. Like fighting over who gets a bigger share of Boardwalk and Park Place while the folks in the stands live in row houses on Baltic Avenue. And now courting the support of the row house dwellers. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

So, players and owners, go fight it out on your own. What you earn is your business, not mine. And don't ask me to choose sides. I identify with the crisis of neither owners nor players; neither of your sides is in a fiscal crisis and have no idea what one is.
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Old 09-11-2010, 12:35 PM   #22
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Well this has always been a failing of our society starting around the 20th century. Before that time entertainment was seen for what it is, a fun thing to watch but not that important.

Of course it takes more to be a police officer, detective,scientist,teacher,paramedic,doctor, military personnel, and etc.. than to be in the entertainment industry. Sports is just entertainment.

If you mess up in entertainment you can do a retake or you just lose a game.
With real life professions if you mess up you could get yourself or someone else killed. I would rather do a 4th and 20 then ever have to enter a domestic violence dispute as a police officer, be on a mission in Iraq, or be responsible for a car accident trying to save a persons crushed body as a paramedic.

What guys do in the NFL is great, and I love it, but if they didn't exist it really wouldn't make a difference.
If one doctor, cop, military etc.. person didn't exist then hundreds of other people lives would be effected.
When you pay an actor 20 million to play someone in the military or a teacher for 4 months of work, but pay the people who do that job, day in day out 30k you know theres a priority problem with society.
Do they deserve the money , of course not , its entertainment. Will it ever change, no of course not.

Players need to get as much money as they can and I dont fault them for doing so. They didnt create societies rules, as messed up as they are. Pay the man.

Saints proved that pigs could fly in 2009.
Now its time for another miracle SuperBowl and go where no pig has gone before.

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Old 09-11-2010, 01:52 PM   #23
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Im gonna keep it simple ..ITS THE UNION! what do expect its a brotherhood..im in one..also the fans are caught in the middle ..and that sucks...
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Old 09-11-2010, 02:17 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post
I am not attacking you as a person, so please do not read more into my post than is there. I am completely attacking your ideology, but nothing more.
Oh I know, I just dont think your right, and have met a couple of people who think the way you do, and know that no debate on the subject is going to change your views on the subject. Im just posting what I think. Im not going to debate it.

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Old 09-12-2010, 09:29 AM   #25
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Private money.... Where did they get all that money? From the FANS. Yes they provided the initial investments, to build the team, but without the consumers, buying their products, they would be dead in the water.

Here's another question. Let's say the owners decide to lock the players out, and there is no season in 2011. What happens to season ticket holders? Will they still have to buy a season package? Or will they get to keep their seats, and start paying the next season? Or will it all start over from zero holders? I'm serious with that question, what will be the procedure on this?

What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....
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Old 09-12-2010, 05:43 PM   #26
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i want a salary cap on the owners not the players.
i want a cap on the price of tickets.
i want a living wage paid to stadium employees.
i want all nfl uniforms gear and memorabilia to be made in the usa.
i want to to not look at ads in the stadium.
i want them to sell only local beer at the stadium.
i want them to sell only local snacks at the stadium.
i want the nfl owners to donate more to local investments.
i want them to buy their own stadium.

then i would be able to care less what the players make.


The nfl is our national past time.
i think they should start acting as such.

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Old 09-12-2010, 07:33 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post
Private VS Public refers to (and I know you know this) independent of the Gov, or run by the gov.

The main difference is choice- people can choose to spend the money for this product (the NFL). If they do not want their product they won't buy it.

The Government forces you to buy their product. There is no choice.

Your other point though Saint Paul- I don't know what is going to happen if they lock out. They will all lose money- it will not be good for anyone
My point was, that as fans, who support these organizations, with our money, we do have a right to our opinions on these matters. The majority of the money spent on players, stadiums, and etc, comes from the purchases made by us, the fans. Now, once I spend it, I reallize it isn't mine anymore. But at the same time, if I buy a television, and it doesn't work, you better believe I'm gonna want my money back. Billionaires, or not, without the fans, these franchises would fall flat on their butts, and they know that.
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Old 09-12-2010, 07:48 PM   #28
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i want a salary cap on the owners not the players. How so?
i want a cap on the price of tickets. Disagree
i want a living wage paid to stadium employees. What's a living wage?
i want all nfl uniforms gear and memorabilia to be made in the usa.The price would double
i want to to not look at ads in the stadium.You don't have to look at them
i want them to sell only local beer at the stadium.I prefer options
i want them to sell only local snacks at the stadium.I prefer options
i want the nfl owners to donate more to local investments.Most donate more than we'll make in our life
i want them to buy their own stadium.Agreed

then i would be able to care less what the players make. I already could care less

The nfl is our national past time. i think they should start acting as such. How do you act like a National pastime?
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:30 PM   #29
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sure you can have an opinion, and you can keep from spending money, as well as watching games. if enough people do that- it will have an impact.

they're just not going to listen to you when it comes to their pay roll
I don't agree with this either. When fans get fed up with coaches, and players, if they raise enough hell, management eventually gets the message, and makes a change. I'm not saying they are going to call us to see who we should, and shouldn't sign, but the fans have alot more influence than you seem to acknowledge.
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Old 09-12-2010, 09:33 PM   #30
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The players' use of an NFL game with a captive audience to air their salary agenda is a violation of ethics, plain and simple. People shell out bucks to be entertained, not to be manipulated into rubber stamping players' debatable plea for a more favorable contract. It makes no difference whether the players' cause has merit or not. The fact that they are using an entertainment forum to plead their personal cause is way out of line.

A gentleman posted on this thread previously that he is a teacher. Awesome. If you, sir, were to use your classroom as a forum to air your personal grievances or causes, you should rightly expect to get your south side chewed by your school administrators. Or be fired. And rightfully so. You are being paid to teach, not to appeal for support of your personal causes AT WORK. The same is true for all of us. And the same is true for NFL players. Fans are paying to be entertained by them, not to support their quest for more money. Or whatever they want more of.

If players want better contracts, great. They should go seek them on their own time. But they should not use an NFL game that people pay to see as a forum to explicitly forward their cause.

I don't care about NFL labor disputes. And I object to way in which NFL players are going about seeking my support in their dispute. It is unethical, it is manipulative, and it pizzes me off.

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