Don't take MY word for it...

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 08:55 AM

Oh, I\'m sorry \"08\". Did you say something about interceptions? Hmmmm.....

Jake 162 Pass attempts -- 96 Completions -- 7 Touchdowns -- 5 Interceptoins
Brooks 215 Pass attempts -- 131 Completions -- 10 Touchdowns -- 4 Interceptions

Lets see...one fewer INT\'S and 53 more attempts. How you think you can argue those numbers in Jake\'s favor is...well...tell me how you can do that again?

Oh, by the way, the ratings are 80.1 and 89.8 respectively. Too bad they don\'t keep a stat for dropped passes...or do they? That\'ll give you something to do today. Lets see which team has dropped more. No tellin\' how much better Brooks\' numbers would be if the Saints receivers had been catching the balls they should catch huh?

Put down the Kool-Aid and tell me again what your point was.

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 09:44 AM

I\'m not arguing either side here, but...

Saintfan - 08\'s point was that Delhomme threw 50 passes in one game with the defense knowing it was coming and he didn\'t throw a pick. We\'re not talking season stats.

However, if you do want to talk season stats, and again, remember, I think Brooks is playing well, should be the starter, I don\'t want Delhomme in NO, and think Brooks is showing plenty of signs that he can be the real deal, but, how many TURNOVERS does Brooks have versus Jake? AB may have fewer INTS, but I\'d bet he has more fumbles. Didn\'t he have two or three in one game at the beginning of the season?

Again, just playing devil\'s advocate here...

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 10:22 AM

Whodat is the devil...

:P

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 10:31 AM

This is amusing. I SHOULD go pull up some old posts to show what was being said by some members here about Jake. But, they don\'t and won\'t admit the truth. It used to be challenging to debate the Brooks/Delhomme issue, but Jake is clearly not in the same league with Brooks. We need to go back to the Brooks/Peyton debate -- It\'s more credible --

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 10:33 AM

Billy is the Devil...

:P

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 10:37 AM

No Devil here -- I\'m really cuttin\' the Delhommites a lot of slack here. I COULD bring up lots of stuff. I probably SHOULD, because they certainly haven\'t cut Brooks any slack or me for standing up for him. I also know that when Brooks has an average or a bad day, they will be right back to their bashing ways.

[Edited on 22/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

seraph33 · 10-22-2003, 11:04 AM

Now a Brooks / Peyton Manning debate is completely laughable. The guy couldn\'t wash Peyton\'s Jock strap. Post all the stats you want, EVERYONE knows Peyton is in the top 3 if not top QB in the league. If I needed a QB for one game and my life depended on it, it would be a toss up between Peyton and Favre.

Give the Delhomme/ Brooks debate a rest already. Some people like Delhomme and want him to succeed. I am one of those people. If Brooks is going to start being consistent and play up to his potential and pay, then I want him in a Saints uniform. I\'m sure alot of people feel the same way about that. By the end of the season I hope we don\'t even have to question our QB anymore.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 11:14 AM

If I needed a QB for one game and my life depended on it, it would be a toss up between Peyton and Favre.

Take Favre because it\'s a well known fact that Peyton flops in big games. What\'s Peyton\'s playoff record again??

saintz08 · 10-22-2003, 11:26 AM

And of course you would go for that stat .

Based upon experience and the time frame of the team , the comparison on a limited basis could only be made to the 2000 season for Brooks .

Brooks 8 Games 113 completions 194 attempts 9 touchdowns 6 interceptions

Jake 162 Pass attempts -- 96 Completions -- 7 Touchdowns -- 5 Interceptoins

Based upon this timeline of experience and team position , They are rather close in percentages and interceptions .

Not seeing the Superman status you give Brooks .....

Or is Delhomme worthy of it too ......

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 12:28 PM

Not now nor have I ever attempted to give Brooks \"Superman\" status \"08\". In fact it\'s folks like you that wanna give Delhomme such status, and when the numbers don\'t warrant it (I told you they wouldn\'t) you make an exception here for Delhomme and an exception there for Delhomme. My question to you is now what it has always been. Why don\'t you give credit where credit is due for Brooks in the same manner you do it for Delhomme? Long ago I answered it myself since you never would. The answer points directly at your agenda. You were hollering for Delhomme the day Brooks took over. Nevermind he was unable to win the job prior to Brooks\' arrival. You\'d be just as negative towards whomever the QB is now because you think they stole something from Jake. Face it. Nobody treated Jake unfairly...except you. Calling him the would be Savior is unfair to him. He\'s just not that good.

10-22-2003, 08:55 AM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... Oh, I\'m sorry \"08\". Did you say something about interceptions? Hmmmm..... Jake 162 Pass attempts -- 96 Completions -- 7 Touchdowns -- 5 Interceptoins Brooks 215 Pass attempts -- 131 Completions -- 10 Touchdowns -- 4 Interceptions Lets see...one fewer INT\'S and 53 more attempts. How you think you can argue those numbers in Jake\'s favor is...well...tell me how you can do that again? Oh, by the way, the ratings are 80.1 and 89.8 respectively. Too bad they don\'t keep a stat for dropped passes...or do they? That\'ll give you something to do today. Lets see which team has dropped more. No tellin\' how much better Brooks\' numbers would be if the Saints receivers had been catching the balls they should catch huh? Put down the Kool-Aid and tell me again what your point was.
	C'mon Man...

10-22-2003, 09:44 AM	#2
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... I\'m not arguing either side here, but... Saintfan - 08\'s point was that Delhomme threw 50 passes in one game with the defense knowing it was coming and he didn\'t throw a pick. We\'re not talking season stats. However, if you do want to talk season stats, and again, remember, I think Brooks is playing well, should be the starter, I don\'t want Delhomme in NO, and think Brooks is showing plenty of signs that he can be the real deal, but, how many TURNOVERS does Brooks have versus Jake? AB may have fewer INTS, but I\'d bet he has more fumbles. Didn\'t he have two or three in one game at the beginning of the season? Again, just playing devil\'s advocate here...
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10-22-2003, 10:22 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... Whodat is the devil... :P

10-22-2003, 10:31 AM	#4
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... This is amusing. I SHOULD go pull up some old posts to show what was being said by some members here about Jake. But, they don\'t and won\'t admit the truth. It used to be challenging to debate the Brooks/Delhomme issue, but Jake is clearly not in the same league with Brooks. We need to go back to the Brooks/Peyton debate -- It\'s more credible --
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10-22-2003, 10:33 AM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... Billy is the Devil... :P

10-22-2003, 10:37 AM	#6
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... No Devil here -- I\'m really cuttin\' the Delhommites a lot of slack here. I COULD bring up lots of stuff. I probably SHOULD, because they certainly haven\'t cut Brooks any slack or me for standing up for him. I also know that when Brooks has an average or a bad day, they will be right back to their bashing ways. [Edited on 22/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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10-22-2003, 11:04 AM	#7
seraph33 Registered Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 68	Don't take MY word for it... Now a Brooks / Peyton Manning debate is completely laughable. The guy couldn\'t wash Peyton\'s Jock strap. Post all the stats you want, EVERYONE knows Peyton is in the top 3 if not top QB in the league. If I needed a QB for one game and my life depended on it, it would be a toss up between Peyton and Favre. Give the Delhomme/ Brooks debate a rest already. Some people like Delhomme and want him to succeed. I am one of those people. If Brooks is going to start being consistent and play up to his potential and pay, then I want him in a Saints uniform. I\'m sure alot of people feel the same way about that. By the end of the season I hope we don\'t even have to question our QB anymore.

10-22-2003, 11:14 AM	#8
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... If I needed a QB for one game and my life depended on it, it would be a toss up between Peyton and Favre. Take Favre because it\'s a well known fact that Peyton flops in big games. What\'s Peyton\'s playoff record again??
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10-22-2003, 11:26 AM	#9
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Don't take MY word for it... And of course you would go for that stat . Based upon experience and the time frame of the team , the comparison on a limited basis could only be made to the 2000 season for Brooks . Brooks 8 Games 113 completions 194 attempts 9 touchdowns 6 interceptions Jake 162 Pass attempts -- 96 Completions -- 7 Touchdowns -- 5 Interceptoins Based upon this timeline of experience and team position , They are rather close in percentages and interceptions . Not seeing the Superman status you give Brooks ..... Or is Delhomme worthy of it too ......
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020

10-22-2003, 12:28 PM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... Not now nor have I ever attempted to give Brooks \"Superman\" status \"08\". In fact it\'s folks like you that wanna give Delhomme such status, and when the numbers don\'t warrant it (I told you they wouldn\'t) you make an exception here for Delhomme and an exception there for Delhomme. My question to you is now what it has always been. Why don\'t you give credit where credit is due for Brooks in the same manner you do it for Delhomme? Long ago I answered it myself since you never would. The answer points directly at your agenda. You were hollering for Delhomme the day Brooks took over. Nevermind he was unable to win the job prior to Brooks\' arrival. You\'d be just as negative towards whomever the QB is now because you think they stole something from Jake. Face it. Nobody treated Jake unfairly...except you. Calling him the would be Savior is unfair to him. He\'s just not that good.
	C'mon Man...