Don't take MY word for it...

creole_t · 10-22-2003, 01:20 PM

Just for the sake of opinions....

Would you rather play Brooks QB the Saint vs Delhomme\'s Panthers....
or play this Carolina team QB\'d by Brooks with Delhomme as our QB??

Hmmm...

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 01:47 PM

Hey Saintfan... uhm, it\'s the devil, and I\'ll bet a fiddle of gold against yer sole... sorry, I\'m back now.

Would you say that AB\'s first 6 games as a starter in this league versus Delhomme\'s first 6 games would be a relatively fair match up if you wanted to compare stats? I mean, nothing is even going to exactly be apples to apples, but... Brooks was younger, but on a more explosive team, Delhomme is older but in a system that doesn\'t really help the QB out in the stats category. Can we look at those numbers? I mean, there has to be some middle ground on which we can compare those numbers, right? So you tell me, what is fair?

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 02:31 PM

Gator -- I\'m guilty as charged. But we all use any ammo we can come up with to prove our points. Really, the only thing I\'m trying to point out to these knuckleheads is that they are WAY premature to be calling Brooks a bum or a bust.

Now, he might end up being a bust(which I don\'t believe) but it\'s too early for ANYONE to be saying that.

I hope it does piss people off because it pisses me off to hear their garbage. That\'s a 2 way street there Gator. I\'ll keep things on any kind of level that anyone wants to go. If you want to keep it clean -- I\'m good with that. If someone wants to jump in the mud. I know how to take a shower

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 02:33 PM

OK, Gator has made reference to poo or turds in like four posts today and nobody jumps on him for a poo fetish. The double standards on this board!! I swear!! LMAO.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 02:50 PM

I have never said that Brooks is above criticism. NEVER!! If someone wants to say he\'s not the best at reading defenses. FINE !! Or, if they want to point out some other flaws. I have no problem with that.

The only thing that I have been saying is that some members UNJUSTLY criticize the guy. And they do !! The ONLY folks I have issues with are the one\'s who basically are saying it\'s time to give up on the guy or the one\'s that say he won\'t get it done.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 03:05 PM

Call it what you will Gator. I have maintained the same stance when Brooks was struggling and when he has played well. Unlike, most members on here that don\'t have any patience and have knee jerk reactions. You just throw stuff out there that I\'ve never said. Show me where I said something unfair Gator?? Can you do that? I don\'t think so. Now, I can show you some of your stuff that was WAY off base...

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 03:06 PM

Whodat, we could go back to Brooks\' first 8 games...

...but there\'s a problem...

Jake, according to the \"08\" Kool-Aid\" Cult was ready to start and win at least a year ago. He didn\'t need to get accustomed to the game. That one 5 yard slant pass in the Tampa Game was all the prove they needed.

You\'ll NEVER compare the two fairly because the Delhomme-ites like 08 won\'t level the field much less me honest about the situation.

How many times do you see Jake leading his receiver into a defender...TONS...and if you say it\'s not true then you\'re not waching. No one on here is speaking poorly about Jake really. It\'s a matter of stuffing 08 back in his hole. Enough from that old man already.

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 03:27 PM

OK Saintfan, but I\'m not talking to 08, I\'m talking to you. So, can you and I compare stats from their first 6 starts as the regular starter? Is that fair?

\"How many times do you see Jake leading his receiver into a defender...TONS...and if you say it\'s not true then you\'re not waching.\"

How different is that then Brooks throwing high into double coverage and having Stallworth get crushed. I can count three times that\'s happened this season off the top of my head. What about throwing a bullet two yards behind a receiver 5 yards down the field? Look, let\'s not get into this too much right now. I just want to agree on a period of time that you feel translates into a fair comparison. OK?

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 03:36 PM

PS - Saintfan - just to be crystal clear, we\'re talking about Brooks\' first 6 games in 2000 after Blake went down versus Delhomme\'s first 6 this season. Is that acceptible?

For the record, I haven\'t looked at the stats so they very well may show Brooks light years ahead of Delhomme, I really have no idea.

saintz08 · 10-22-2003, 03:54 PM

Actually Saintsfan ,

I believe I was screaming for Delhomme the moment Mc Carthy took over and called for the offense to be changed to the west coast system .

Blake was not the west coast prototype in my thoughts , nor was Brooks .

The West Coast QB-the West Coast QB is defined by a player with some mobility, even to the point of being called a scrambler. His arm strength is not a main issue. He survives on making quick decisions and marching his team down the field with precise passes. Vintage examples of the West Coast QB are Joe Montana and Steve Young.

10-22-2003, 01:20 PM	#1
creole_t Registered Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 53	Don't take MY word for it... Just for the sake of opinions.... Would you rather play Brooks QB the Saint vs Delhomme\'s Panthers.... or play this Carolina team QB\'d by Brooks with Delhomme as our QB?? Hmmm...
creole_t Registered Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 53

10-22-2003, 01:47 PM	#2
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... Hey Saintfan... uhm, it\'s the devil, and I\'ll bet a fiddle of gold against yer sole... sorry, I\'m back now. Would you say that AB\'s first 6 games as a starter in this league versus Delhomme\'s first 6 games would be a relatively fair match up if you wanted to compare stats? I mean, nothing is even going to exactly be apples to apples, but... Brooks was younger, but on a more explosive team, Delhomme is older but in a system that doesn\'t really help the QB out in the stats category. Can we look at those numbers? I mean, there has to be some middle ground on which we can compare those numbers, right? So you tell me, what is fair?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

10-22-2003, 02:31 PM	#3
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... Gator -- I\'m guilty as charged. But we all use any ammo we can come up with to prove our points. Really, the only thing I\'m trying to point out to these knuckleheads is that they are WAY premature to be calling Brooks a bum or a bust. Now, he might end up being a bust(which I don\'t believe) but it\'s too early for ANYONE to be saying that. I hope it does piss people off because it pisses me off to hear their garbage. That\'s a 2 way street there Gator. I\'ll keep things on any kind of level that anyone wants to go. If you want to keep it clean -- I\'m good with that. If someone wants to jump in the mud. I know how to take a shower
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10-22-2003, 02:33 PM	#4
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... OK, Gator has made reference to poo or turds in like four posts today and nobody jumps on him for a poo fetish. The double standards on this board!! I swear!! LMAO.
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10-22-2003, 02:50 PM	#5
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... I have never said that Brooks is above criticism. NEVER!! If someone wants to say he\'s not the best at reading defenses. FINE !! Or, if they want to point out some other flaws. I have no problem with that. The only thing that I have been saying is that some members UNJUSTLY criticize the guy. And they do !! The ONLY folks I have issues with are the one\'s who basically are saying it\'s time to give up on the guy or the one\'s that say he won\'t get it done.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

10-22-2003, 03:05 PM	#6
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... Call it what you will Gator. I have maintained the same stance when Brooks was struggling and when he has played well. Unlike, most members on here that don\'t have any patience and have knee jerk reactions. You just throw stuff out there that I\'ve never said. Show me where I said something unfair Gator?? Can you do that? I don\'t think so. Now, I can show you some of your stuff that was WAY off base...
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10-22-2003, 03:06 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... Whodat, we could go back to Brooks\' first 8 games... ...but there\'s a problem... Jake, according to the \"08\" Kool-Aid\" Cult was ready to start and win at least a year ago. He didn\'t need to get accustomed to the game. That one 5 yard slant pass in the Tampa Game was all the prove they needed. You\'ll NEVER compare the two fairly because the Delhomme-ites like 08 won\'t level the field much less me honest about the situation. How many times do you see Jake leading his receiver into a defender...TONS...and if you say it\'s not true then you\'re not waching. No one on here is speaking poorly about Jake really. It\'s a matter of stuffing 08 back in his hole. Enough from that old man already.
	C'mon Man...

10-22-2003, 03:27 PM	#8
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... OK Saintfan, but I\'m not talking to 08, I\'m talking to you. So, can you and I compare stats from their first 6 starts as the regular starter? Is that fair? \"How many times do you see Jake leading his receiver into a defender...TONS...and if you say it\'s not true then you\'re not waching.\" How different is that then Brooks throwing high into double coverage and having Stallworth get crushed. I can count three times that\'s happened this season off the top of my head. What about throwing a bullet two yards behind a receiver 5 yards down the field? Look, let\'s not get into this too much right now. I just want to agree on a period of time that you feel translates into a fair comparison. OK?
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

10-22-2003, 03:36 PM	#9
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... PS - Saintfan - just to be crystal clear, we\'re talking about Brooks\' first 6 games in 2000 after Blake went down versus Delhomme\'s first 6 this season. Is that acceptible? For the record, I haven\'t looked at the stats so they very well may show Brooks light years ahead of Delhomme, I really have no idea.
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10-22-2003, 03:54 PM	#10
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Don't take MY word for it... Actually Saintsfan , I believe I was screaming for Delhomme the moment Mc Carthy took over and called for the offense to be changed to the west coast system . Blake was not the west coast prototype in my thoughts , nor was Brooks . The West Coast QB-the West Coast QB is defined by a player with some mobility, even to the point of being called a scrambler. His arm strength is not a main issue. He survives on making quick decisions and marching his team down the field with precise passes. Vintage examples of the West Coast QB are Joe Montana and Steve Young.
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo