Don't take MY word for it...

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 04:06 PM

Whodat, we could go back to Brooks\' first 8 games...

...but there\'s a problem...

Jake, according to the \"08\" Kool-Aid\" Cult was ready to start and win at least a year ago. He didn\'t need to get accustomed to the game. That one 5 yard slant pass in the Tampa Game was all the prove they needed.

You\'ll NEVER compare the two fairly because the Delhomme-ites like 08 won\'t level the field much less me honest about the situation.

How many times do you see Jake leading his receiver into a defender...TONS...and if you say it\'s not true then you\'re not waching. No one on here is speaking poorly about Jake really. It\'s a matter of stuffing 08 back in his hole. Enough from that old man already.

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 04:27 PM

OK Saintfan, but I\'m not talking to 08, I\'m talking to you. So, can you and I compare stats from their first 6 starts as the regular starter? Is that fair?

\"How many times do you see Jake leading his receiver into a defender...TONS...and if you say it\'s not true then you\'re not waching.\"

How different is that then Brooks throwing high into double coverage and having Stallworth get crushed. I can count three times that\'s happened this season off the top of my head. What about throwing a bullet two yards behind a receiver 5 yards down the field? Look, let\'s not get into this too much right now. I just want to agree on a period of time that you feel translates into a fair comparison. OK?

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 04:36 PM

PS - Saintfan - just to be crystal clear, we\'re talking about Brooks\' first 6 games in 2000 after Blake went down versus Delhomme\'s first 6 this season. Is that acceptible?

For the record, I haven\'t looked at the stats so they very well may show Brooks light years ahead of Delhomme, I really have no idea.

saintz08 · 10-22-2003, 04:54 PM

Actually Saintsfan ,

I believe I was screaming for Delhomme the moment Mc Carthy took over and called for the offense to be changed to the west coast system .

Blake was not the west coast prototype in my thoughts , nor was Brooks .

The West Coast QB-the West Coast QB is defined by a player with some mobility, even to the point of being called a scrambler. His arm strength is not a main issue. He survives on making quick decisions and marching his team down the field with precise passes. Vintage examples of the West Coast QB are Joe Montana and Steve Young.

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 05:31 PM

08--

If you think the Saints are running the West Coast Offense, then I\'ve got some swamp land out in Arizon I\'ll let you have real cheap...

...and you\'re biased towards Jake Delhomme man...admit it already.

Whodat --

We can compare \'em if you\'d like. I doubt they\'d be much different, but you must remembre Jake had more experience in the league by the time he started for Carolina than Brooks did. I think we should figure out how to factor that in to things too.

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 05:40 PM

Sure Saintfan. I mentioned that earlier. I\'d say that is cancelled out by the surrounding talent factor, in which Brooks has the advantage. Then there\'s the system argument, the opponent argument, etc. etc. etc.

We can him-haw about this all we want, but like I said earlier, unless we can watch these guys play the exact same games in two parallel universes we\'ll never have exact apples to apples.

So, if we can both agree that there will undoubtedly be some discrepency here, I\'ll be happy to pull the numbers. Agreed?

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 05:55 PM

You think the Saints receivers in 2000 stack up to what Carolina has now? Just askin\'?

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 06:13 PM

Uh, I\'d say so. Horn was a Pro Bowler and Willie Jackson had a thousand yards receiving that year, didn\'t he? Or was that \'01? Anyway, irrelevant. We know that it\'s not apples to apples. Right?

saintz08 · 10-22-2003, 06:16 PM

McCarthy has led an offensive revival in New Orleans by relying on an uncompromising attention to detail, skilled game-planning and a dedication to the principles of the West Coast offensive system.

08--

If you think the Saints are running the West Coast Offense, then I\'ve got some swamp land out in Arizon I\'ll let you have real cheap...
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Is it that the Saints are not running the west coast offense or that Brooks is not an effective west coast style quarterback ????

The West Coast QB-the West Coast QB is defined by a player with some mobility, even to the point of being called a scrambler. His arm strength is not a main issue. He survives on making quick decisions and marching his team down the field with precise passes. Vintage examples of the West Coast QB are Joe Montana and Steve Young.

Note on the Falcons game : Brooks argueably had his best game ever in a Saints uniform . It was also the first time the Saints have used the no huddle offense allowing Brooks to call the plays at the line or call them in a huddle . Brooks felt more comfotable and completed more passes , because he could eliminate those quick read plays . Note less time delay and fewer dump off passes to deuce .

saintfan · 10-23-2003, 10:21 AM

You\'re a spin doctor 08, plain and simple, and as I\'ve said before your agenda is old and tired.

Dude, if you put 1/8 the positive spin on Brooks that you attempt to put on Jake you\'d be a sure enough Brooks Fan. Admit you\'re pizzed cause Good \'Ol Breaux Bridge Boy Jake Delhomme couldn\'t crack the starting lineup in New Orleans. Admit that, and admit that you\'d be squarely against ANYBODY Brooks or not and I might give something you type some level of credibility.

And again, if you think the offense the Saints run is a \"West Coast\" offense you\'re drinkin\' too much of your own Kool-Aid.

10-22-2003, 04:06 PM	#31
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... Whodat, we could go back to Brooks\' first 8 games... ...but there\'s a problem... Jake, according to the \"08\" Kool-Aid\" Cult was ready to start and win at least a year ago. He didn\'t need to get accustomed to the game. That one 5 yard slant pass in the Tampa Game was all the prove they needed. You\'ll NEVER compare the two fairly because the Delhomme-ites like 08 won\'t level the field much less me honest about the situation. How many times do you see Jake leading his receiver into a defender...TONS...and if you say it\'s not true then you\'re not waching. No one on here is speaking poorly about Jake really. It\'s a matter of stuffing 08 back in his hole. Enough from that old man already.
	C'mon Man...

10-22-2003, 04:27 PM	#32
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... OK Saintfan, but I\'m not talking to 08, I\'m talking to you. So, can you and I compare stats from their first 6 starts as the regular starter? Is that fair? \"How many times do you see Jake leading his receiver into a defender...TONS...and if you say it\'s not true then you\'re not waching.\" How different is that then Brooks throwing high into double coverage and having Stallworth get crushed. I can count three times that\'s happened this season off the top of my head. What about throwing a bullet two yards behind a receiver 5 yards down the field? Look, let\'s not get into this too much right now. I just want to agree on a period of time that you feel translates into a fair comparison. OK?
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10-22-2003, 04:36 PM	#33
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... PS - Saintfan - just to be crystal clear, we\'re talking about Brooks\' first 6 games in 2000 after Blake went down versus Delhomme\'s first 6 this season. Is that acceptible? For the record, I haven\'t looked at the stats so they very well may show Brooks light years ahead of Delhomme, I really have no idea.
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10-22-2003, 04:54 PM	#34
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Don't take MY word for it... Actually Saintsfan , I believe I was screaming for Delhomme the moment Mc Carthy took over and called for the offense to be changed to the west coast system . Blake was not the west coast prototype in my thoughts , nor was Brooks . The West Coast QB-the West Coast QB is defined by a player with some mobility, even to the point of being called a scrambler. His arm strength is not a main issue. He survives on making quick decisions and marching his team down the field with precise passes. Vintage examples of the West Coast QB are Joe Montana and Steve Young.
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10-22-2003, 05:31 PM	#35
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... 08-- If you think the Saints are running the West Coast Offense, then I\'ve got some swamp land out in Arizon I\'ll let you have real cheap... ...and you\'re biased towards Jake Delhomme man...admit it already. Whodat -- We can compare \'em if you\'d like. I doubt they\'d be much different, but you must remembre Jake had more experience in the league by the time he started for Carolina than Brooks did. I think we should figure out how to factor that in to things too.

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10-22-2003, 05:40 PM	#36
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... Sure Saintfan. I mentioned that earlier. I\'d say that is cancelled out by the surrounding talent factor, in which Brooks has the advantage. Then there\'s the system argument, the opponent argument, etc. etc. etc. We can him-haw about this all we want, but like I said earlier, unless we can watch these guys play the exact same games in two parallel universes we\'ll never have exact apples to apples. So, if we can both agree that there will undoubtedly be some discrepency here, I\'ll be happy to pull the numbers. Agreed?
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10-22-2003, 05:55 PM	#37
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... You think the Saints receivers in 2000 stack up to what Carolina has now? Just askin\'?

10-22-2003, 06:13 PM	#38
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... Uh, I\'d say so. Horn was a Pro Bowler and Willie Jackson had a thousand yards receiving that year, didn\'t he? Or was that \'01? Anyway, irrelevant. We know that it\'s not apples to apples. Right?
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10-22-2003, 06:16 PM	#39
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Don't take MY word for it... McCarthy has led an offensive revival in New Orleans by relying on an uncompromising attention to detail, skilled game-planning and a dedication to the principles of the West Coast offensive system. 08-- If you think the Saints are running the West Coast Offense, then I\'ve got some swamp land out in Arizon I\'ll let you have real cheap... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it that the Saints are not running the west coast offense or that Brooks is not an effective west coast style quarterback ???? The West Coast QB-the West Coast QB is defined by a player with some mobility, even to the point of being called a scrambler. His arm strength is not a main issue. He survives on making quick decisions and marching his team down the field with precise passes. Vintage examples of the West Coast QB are Joe Montana and Steve Young. Note on the Falcons game : Brooks argueably had his best game ever in a Saints uniform . It was also the first time the Saints have used the no huddle offense allowing Brooks to call the plays at the line or call them in a huddle . Brooks felt more comfotable and completed more passes , because he could eliminate those quick read plays . Note less time delay and fewer dump off passes to deuce .
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

10-23-2003, 10:21 AM	#40
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... You\'re a spin doctor 08, plain and simple, and as I\'ve said before your agenda is old and tired. Dude, if you put 1/8 the positive spin on Brooks that you attempt to put on Jake you\'d be a sure enough Brooks Fan. Admit you\'re pizzed cause Good \'Ol Breaux Bridge Boy Jake Delhomme couldn\'t crack the starting lineup in New Orleans. Admit that, and admit that you\'d be squarely against ANYBODY Brooks or not and I might give something you type some level of credibility. And again, if you think the offense the Saints run is a \"West Coast\" offense you\'re drinkin\' too much of your own Kool-Aid.
	C'mon Man...