Don't take MY word for it...

WhoDat · 10-21-2003, 04:57 PM

Maybe, but I see potential in the guy, same as I did when some no-name that looked like gumby came sauntering into the game in Week 10 of the 2000 season. They have different styles and different skillsets, but to think Jake doesn\'t have a shot b/c he isn\'t playing great right now, well... that\'s kind of myopic for a guy who has been preaching patience.

[Edited on 21/10/2003 by WhoDat]

saintfan · 10-21-2003, 05:03 PM

I didn\'t say that Whodat. I\'ve always said I like Jake and I still do, but posts like Gatorman\'s are what get me. Jake has had very very little to do with their record. The number of carries for Stephen Davis tells the story.

Don\'t take my word for it Gator...that\'s what this thread is all about.

[Edited on 21/10/2003 by saintfan]

WhoDat · 10-21-2003, 05:08 PM

OK. Point taken. Stephen Davis is the engine that drives the Panthers. No question. One might say the same about Deuce. Sure, he\'s not doing it to the extent that Davis is, and yes Brooks is much more a part of the offense than Delhomme. Again, part of that has to be chalked up to Fox\'s scheme. He wants to win with running and defense.

\"We could have John Elway here, and we\'d be the same way we are now,\" Fox says.

Delhomme isn\'t in a wide open offense where he\'s encouraged to make reads, use his arm, etc. And despite what Billy may think, Smith and Muhammed are NOT Horn, Stallworth, Pathon, and Conwell... oh and Deuce out of the backfield.

I won\'t try to tell you that Delhomme is as good a QB right now as Brooks. However, Delhomme is doing what is asked of him, and he\'s doing it really well. The team\'s record shows that. Brooks on the other hand, has been asked to be a significant part of the Saints offense this season. I will be the first to admit that Brooks\' play has been surprisingly good this season, but one has to wonder when we have a losing record... wouldn\'t you agree?

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-21-2003, 06:42 PM

5-1

Jake is the QB

Thats all I need to know.

Dilfer- average QB, but he wears a superbowl ring.

Do you two hate Jake or is it this is what you must do to get at the members here that still support him and beliieve he could have been better than Brooks in the last 3 games?

Gator -- I don\'t hate Jake Delhomme. What I don\'t like are the memebers in here that go around blaming Aaron Brooks for every problem the Saints have. Then some of those same memebers go around talking about Jake Delhomme like he\'s GOD.

Right now you are attempting to credit Jake Delhomme for the Panthers 5-1 record by saying: \"5-1 -- Jake is the QB -- Thats all I need to know.\" Well, I agree, that is all you need to know if you don\'t want to see the truth. Which you obviously don\'t. I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again -- Jake has done NOTHING in this league to warrant all the praise he has received by some members on here.

Since I have been a member on here, I have spent most of my time defending Aaron Brooks. You can say I am a Brooks\' supporter. I freely admit that. I\'ve never claimed he is perfect or doesn\'t need to improve. What I have been trying to tell you guy is that most to the critcism is UNJUST.

Now that Delhomme is a starter and myself and saintfan point out some flaws with ole\' Jake ( and not nearly to the degree that Brooks has been placed under the microscope) some of the Brooks bashers and Jake supporters don\'t like it. Mainly because they can\'t justify the criticism they have placed on Brooks and not say the samething about Delhomme.

All of you guys that are defending Delhomme -- Where were you at when post after post, article after article, was being written about \"Brooks Sucks\" ?? I learned a long time ago that QB\'s take time to develop and that just because they are making a tremendous amount of money, that it does not speed up the maturation process. But yet all I hear on here is \" You are making top 5 money -- I demand top 5 play. This is FOOLISH.

Some of you right now are waiting on Brooks to have a bad game so you can say \" See, I told you so.\" But that\'s OK -- I\'ll be right here telling you the samethings I\'ve been telling ya !~!

[Edited on 22/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

WhoDat · 10-21-2003, 09:03 PM

Well Billy, I don\'t know if I totally agree with that.

Here\'s the thing. Carolina does not expect Jake Delhomme to be a top five quarterback. They ask him to be a game manager. They ask him to throw when he has to, mostly in order to keep the D honest enough to allow Davis some running room. They pay him accordingly and they most get what they expect. Limited performance and limited mistakes.

On the other hand, Haslett and Co. have been promising that Aaron Brooks will be a star in this league for three years now. The expectation is that he will play like one of the tops in the league at his position. He is getting paid to do so and we as fans are expecting to see that.

What we have gotten throughout most of the man\'s career is inconsistency. The ability to play like a star one week and a bum the next. In fact, games like AB had last week can serve to further exagerate the problem, b/c we see what he is capable of. Next week, if he doesn\'t deliver - if he has a 150 yard 3 INT day - then it makes us more mad b/c we know how he can play and we know what we\'re paying for... and we know when we\'re getting screwed.

Say what you will about Jake\'s ability. Say what you will about his role in Carolina\'s offense. Bottom line is, the man is doing exactly what is asked of him and that has helped his team to a 5-1 record.

I\'m not saying that I would rather have Delhomme than Brooks. I am not saying that Delhomme is better than Brooks. What I am saying is that Delhomme may be the lowest paid starting QB in the league and he is certainly not the worst in the league right now. Brooks is one of the highest paid in the league, and can you tell me that so far this year he has been playing like one of the best QBs in the league? I will admit he is getting much better. More consistent, smarter plays, less mistakes, he\'s molding himself to better fit our system... but he\'s still not there yet. I can understand the people who think that he\'ll never be the leader or have the ability to make the right reads he needs to make it in the NFL, or in our system. I\'ll say that his play is starting to change my mind about that, but he ain\'t there yet. Carolina is getting everything they expect and pay for out of Jake.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-21-2003, 09:11 PM

WhoDat --

Some QB\'s develop faster for different reasons. Maybe some QB\'s were in a college system that better prepared them for the NFL. Maybe some QB\'s had a dad that played in the NFL and that gave them an advantage. Point is that Brooks is a young QB that has been no more inconsistant than some great QB\'s of all time. I\'ve showed you before the stats of other QB\'s like Aikman, Elway, etc, etc.. MOST of the criticism on Brooks has been unjust and if you are honest you will admit that.

I have to admit that debating Aaron Brooks is fun. More so with some members than others, but I really wonder if some memebers believe what they are writing on here or if they just like to prove a point because they don\'t like the guy...

WhoDat · 10-21-2003, 09:36 PM

Herein lies the problem Billy. To 08, his approximation of Brooks is just as valid as yours is to you. And because Brooks has not proved undoubtedly that he is great or terrible, no one is more or less right.

Everyone watched the same plays, reads the same articles, and see the same stats. We all come to different conclusions about those stats and plays and articles ourselves. Those conclusions are opinions, and no one is more right than the other.

Your problem is simple. You watch the game and think, \"Brooks had a good day.\" Someone else sees the same game and thinks, \"Brooks played poorly.\" Now, unless he had a particularly spectacular or terrible game, it\'s hard to determine either way. Therefore, YOU are NOT right. Neither is 08 or whoever. You simply both have opinions, which seem to differ.

Now, you seem to want members of this board to ignore Brooks\' poor play at times b/c he has potential. If Brooks isn\'t playing well and I say he sucks, I\'M RIGHT. Why? B/c I\'m talking about now. If I say he\'s a bum and he\'ll never get it and he will always be terrible, well, then your argument has some merit. Still, you need to learn that two people can watch the same events and look at the same numbers and come to COMPLETELY different conclusions. Yours aren\'t right, they\'re yours. Nothing more, nothing less.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-21-2003, 09:57 PM

Very weak WhoDat --

I\'m not talking about someone who judges Brooks on a game by game basis and you KNOW that. I\'m talking about the folks who say cut him, bench him, he\'s a bum, he\'s too stupid, etc, etc..

My point is correct and like I said, if you are honest, you will admit that these critcisms are UNJUST. Including some of yours !! ?? !! ??

saintz08 · 10-21-2003, 11:53 PM

How nice ,

Saintsfan wrote one just for me .

At no point that I have read does it say , \" Delhomme could not have filled in for a quarterback requireing surgery to a passing arm \" .

Jake Delhomme has in fact proven he was capable to fill in last year , rather then start an injured rather ineffective Brooks . Delhomme is in an unfamiliar offense as in comparison to his study time in New Orleans and should at this point be considered a rookie to the system .

If Jake had gone to San Francisco , under Walsh he would be in a much better position . He is in Carolina , running an offense that has less talent then the Saints and has not done bad for his first year .

One rather amusing point is that in the loss to the Titans , Delhomme threw the ball 49 times and not one interception . With the running game stopped for the Panthers and the Titans knowing Delhomme was gonna have to air it out , not 1 interception . Took Brooks a couple of years to figure that one out .

Jake Delhomme had a great game with 362 yards passing and two touchdowns and no interceptions, but that was mostly as Carolina had to catch up due to the large first-half deficit. The running game was taken out of commission early and only managed 44 total yards.

Duece gets only 44 yards in one game and Brooks has usually thrown a couple of picks .

[Edited on 22/10/2003 by saintz08]

seraph33 · 10-22-2003, 02:09 AM

Enough with the Brooks/Delhomme debate. Jesus it has been 4 weeks of it and it needs to end. I personally love Jake. This is his first year with the Panthers, first year as a starter. I think that if Carolina sticks with him, he will develop into a nice starter. He just works too damn hard not to.

Brooks played very well this week. I hope he keeps on playing this way. Still we played very bad teams 2 weeks in a row and I am not sure if the Saints can do this to some quality opponents. If they pull off wins against Carolina and Tampa then I\'ll be impressed. Back to Brooks, as I have said before I don\'t feel that he has made sufficient progress as a starter. He has had the starting job for 3 years now and he still makes many of the boneheaded plays he did in his first year as a starter. Really I haven\'t seem much in the way of progression from him. He looked truly amazing when he came in after Blake went down to injury but hasn\'t looked that good since that season. Now I wouldn\'t mind it so much if he would be on the sidelines looking over coverage packages with McCarthy or something, but he doesn\'t. When he is on the sideline, he just stands there with his towel around his neck. It\'s almost as if he puts it all in McCarthy\'s hands. I don\'t know maybe that\'s how he wants it so he doesn\'t have to be held accountable. It just seems like he lacks so many of the intangibles that great quarterbacks have.

Now to his credit something has stirred a fire under his *$3 the past two weeks cus I saw him actually getting somewhat passionate and audibling. That is an incouraging sign. With that said if Aaron Brooks is finally going to stand up and start walking the walk of a franchise QB (which is what we are paying him as) then by all means step up and we don\'t have to go looking for a replacement; however, if he doesn\'t PROGRESS then I\'m not satisfied with him as our long term answer. I\'m not saying cut him or anything like that. He is certainly better than all the Shulers, Billy Joe\'s, and other flake quarterbacks we have had here. Still if he doesn\'t show overall improvement by the season\'s end . . . then we should start looking for a young QB we can groom behind him for a couple years, similiar to what the JETS did with Pennington.

In parting I know someone is going to jump on this post screaming to \"look at Brooks\' numbers from the past two weeks. That\'s not improvement?\" Yes good numbers and good performances as well, but against teams that are a combined 2-11 this season. I\'m sorry but that isn\'t much of a statement for Brooks or the rest of this team. Do this against some quality opponents then we are turning some heads.

10-21-2003, 04:57 PM	#1
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... Maybe, but I see potential in the guy, same as I did when some no-name that looked like gumby came sauntering into the game in Week 10 of the 2000 season. They have different styles and different skillsets, but to think Jake doesn\'t have a shot b/c he isn\'t playing great right now, well... that\'s kind of myopic for a guy who has been preaching patience. [Edited on 21/10/2003 by WhoDat]
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10-21-2003, 05:03 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... I didn\'t say that Whodat. I\'ve always said I like Jake and I still do, but posts like Gatorman\'s are what get me. Jake has had very very little to do with their record. The number of carries for Stephen Davis tells the story. Don\'t take my word for it Gator...that\'s what this thread is all about. [Edited on 21/10/2003 by saintfan]

10-21-2003, 05:08 PM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... OK. Point taken. Stephen Davis is the engine that drives the Panthers. No question. One might say the same about Deuce. Sure, he\'s not doing it to the extent that Davis is, and yes Brooks is much more a part of the offense than Delhomme. Again, part of that has to be chalked up to Fox\'s scheme. He wants to win with running and defense. \"We could have John Elway here, and we\'d be the same way we are now,\" Fox says. Delhomme isn\'t in a wide open offense where he\'s encouraged to make reads, use his arm, etc. And despite what Billy may think, Smith and Muhammed are NOT Horn, Stallworth, Pathon, and Conwell... oh and Deuce out of the backfield. I won\'t try to tell you that Delhomme is as good a QB right now as Brooks. However, Delhomme is doing what is asked of him, and he\'s doing it really well. The team\'s record shows that. Brooks on the other hand, has been asked to be a significant part of the Saints offense this season. I will be the first to admit that Brooks\' play has been surprisingly good this season, but one has to wonder when we have a losing record... wouldn\'t you agree?
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10-21-2003, 06:42 PM	#4
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... 5-1 Jake is the QB Thats all I need to know. Dilfer- average QB, but he wears a superbowl ring. Do you two hate Jake or is it this is what you must do to get at the members here that still support him and beliieve he could have been better than Brooks in the last 3 games? Gator -- I don\'t hate Jake Delhomme. What I don\'t like are the memebers in here that go around blaming Aaron Brooks for every problem the Saints have. Then some of those same memebers go around talking about Jake Delhomme like he\'s GOD. Right now you are attempting to credit Jake Delhomme for the Panthers 5-1 record by saying: \"5-1 -- Jake is the QB -- Thats all I need to know.\" Well, I agree, that is all you need to know if you don\'t want to see the truth. Which you obviously don\'t. I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again -- Jake has done NOTHING in this league to warrant all the praise he has received by some members on here. Since I have been a member on here, I have spent most of my time defending Aaron Brooks. You can say I am a Brooks\' supporter. I freely admit that. I\'ve never claimed he is perfect or doesn\'t need to improve. What I have been trying to tell you guy is that most to the critcism is UNJUST. Now that Delhomme is a starter and myself and saintfan point out some flaws with ole\' Jake ( and not nearly to the degree that Brooks has been placed under the microscope) some of the Brooks bashers and Jake supporters don\'t like it. Mainly because they can\'t justify the criticism they have placed on Brooks and not say the samething about Delhomme. All of you guys that are defending Delhomme -- Where were you at when post after post, article after article, was being written about \"Brooks Sucks\" ?? I learned a long time ago that QB\'s take time to develop and that just because they are making a tremendous amount of money, that it does not speed up the maturation process. But yet all I hear on here is \" You are making top 5 money -- I demand top 5 play. This is FOOLISH. Some of you right now are waiting on Brooks to have a bad game so you can say \" See, I told you so.\" But that\'s OK -- I\'ll be right here telling you the samethings I\'ve been telling ya !~! [Edited on 22/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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10-21-2003, 09:03 PM	#5
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... Well Billy, I don\'t know if I totally agree with that. Here\'s the thing. Carolina does not expect Jake Delhomme to be a top five quarterback. They ask him to be a game manager. They ask him to throw when he has to, mostly in order to keep the D honest enough to allow Davis some running room. They pay him accordingly and they most get what they expect. Limited performance and limited mistakes. On the other hand, Haslett and Co. have been promising that Aaron Brooks will be a star in this league for three years now. The expectation is that he will play like one of the tops in the league at his position. He is getting paid to do so and we as fans are expecting to see that. What we have gotten throughout most of the man\'s career is inconsistency. The ability to play like a star one week and a bum the next. In fact, games like AB had last week can serve to further exagerate the problem, b/c we see what he is capable of. Next week, if he doesn\'t deliver - if he has a 150 yard 3 INT day - then it makes us more mad b/c we know how he can play and we know what we\'re paying for... and we know when we\'re getting screwed. Say what you will about Jake\'s ability. Say what you will about his role in Carolina\'s offense. Bottom line is, the man is doing exactly what is asked of him and that has helped his team to a 5-1 record. I\'m not saying that I would rather have Delhomme than Brooks. I am not saying that Delhomme is better than Brooks. What I am saying is that Delhomme may be the lowest paid starting QB in the league and he is certainly not the worst in the league right now. Brooks is one of the highest paid in the league, and can you tell me that so far this year he has been playing like one of the best QBs in the league? I will admit he is getting much better. More consistent, smarter plays, less mistakes, he\'s molding himself to better fit our system... but he\'s still not there yet. I can understand the people who think that he\'ll never be the leader or have the ability to make the right reads he needs to make it in the NFL, or in our system. I\'ll say that his play is starting to change my mind about that, but he ain\'t there yet. Carolina is getting everything they expect and pay for out of Jake.
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10-21-2003, 09:11 PM	#6
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... WhoDat -- Some QB\'s develop faster for different reasons. Maybe some QB\'s were in a college system that better prepared them for the NFL. Maybe some QB\'s had a dad that played in the NFL and that gave them an advantage. Point is that Brooks is a young QB that has been no more inconsistant than some great QB\'s of all time. I\'ve showed you before the stats of other QB\'s like Aikman, Elway, etc, etc.. MOST of the criticism on Brooks has been unjust and if you are honest you will admit that. I have to admit that debating Aaron Brooks is fun. More so with some members than others, but I really wonder if some memebers believe what they are writing on here or if they just like to prove a point because they don\'t like the guy...
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10-21-2003, 09:36 PM	#7
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... Herein lies the problem Billy. To 08, his approximation of Brooks is just as valid as yours is to you. And because Brooks has not proved undoubtedly that he is great or terrible, no one is more or less right. Everyone watched the same plays, reads the same articles, and see the same stats. We all come to different conclusions about those stats and plays and articles ourselves. Those conclusions are opinions, and no one is more right than the other. Your problem is simple. You watch the game and think, \"Brooks had a good day.\" Someone else sees the same game and thinks, \"Brooks played poorly.\" Now, unless he had a particularly spectacular or terrible game, it\'s hard to determine either way. Therefore, YOU are NOT right. Neither is 08 or whoever. You simply both have opinions, which seem to differ. Now, you seem to want members of this board to ignore Brooks\' poor play at times b/c he has potential. If Brooks isn\'t playing well and I say he sucks, I\'M RIGHT. Why? B/c I\'m talking about now. If I say he\'s a bum and he\'ll never get it and he will always be terrible, well, then your argument has some merit. Still, you need to learn that two people can watch the same events and look at the same numbers and come to COMPLETELY different conclusions. Yours aren\'t right, they\'re yours. Nothing more, nothing less.
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10-21-2003, 09:57 PM	#8
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... Very weak WhoDat -- I\'m not talking about someone who judges Brooks on a game by game basis and you KNOW that. I\'m talking about the folks who say cut him, bench him, he\'s a bum, he\'s too stupid, etc, etc.. My point is correct and like I said, if you are honest, you will admit that these critcisms are UNJUST. Including some of yours !! ?? !! ??
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10-21-2003, 11:53 PM	#9
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Don't take MY word for it... How nice , Saintsfan wrote one just for me . At no point that I have read does it say , \" Delhomme could not have filled in for a quarterback requireing surgery to a passing arm \" . Jake Delhomme has in fact proven he was capable to fill in last year , rather then start an injured rather ineffective Brooks . Delhomme is in an unfamiliar offense as in comparison to his study time in New Orleans and should at this point be considered a rookie to the system . If Jake had gone to San Francisco , under Walsh he would be in a much better position . He is in Carolina , running an offense that has less talent then the Saints and has not done bad for his first year . One rather amusing point is that in the loss to the Titans , Delhomme threw the ball 49 times and not one interception . With the running game stopped for the Panthers and the Titans knowing Delhomme was gonna have to air it out , not 1 interception . Took Brooks a couple of years to figure that one out . Jake Delhomme had a great game with 362 yards passing and two touchdowns and no interceptions, but that was mostly as Carolina had to catch up due to the large first-half deficit. The running game was taken out of commission early and only managed 44 total yards. Duece gets only 44 yards in one game and Brooks has usually thrown a couple of picks . [Edited on 22/10/2003 by saintz08]
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10-22-2003, 02:09 AM	#10
seraph33 Registered Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 68	Don't take MY word for it... Enough with the Brooks/Delhomme debate. Jesus it has been 4 weeks of it and it needs to end. I personally love Jake. This is his first year with the Panthers, first year as a starter. I think that if Carolina sticks with him, he will develop into a nice starter. He just works too damn hard not to. Brooks played very well this week. I hope he keeps on playing this way. Still we played very bad teams 2 weeks in a row and I am not sure if the Saints can do this to some quality opponents. If they pull off wins against Carolina and Tampa then I\'ll be impressed. Back to Brooks, as I have said before I don\'t feel that he has made sufficient progress as a starter. He has had the starting job for 3 years now and he still makes many of the boneheaded plays he did in his first year as a starter. Really I haven\'t seem much in the way of progression from him. He looked truly amazing when he came in after Blake went down to injury but hasn\'t looked that good since that season. Now I wouldn\'t mind it so much if he would be on the sidelines looking over coverage packages with McCarthy or something, but he doesn\'t. When he is on the sideline, he just stands there with his towel around his neck. It\'s almost as if he puts it all in McCarthy\'s hands. I don\'t know maybe that\'s how he wants it so he doesn\'t have to be held accountable. It just seems like he lacks so many of the intangibles that great quarterbacks have. Now to his credit something has stirred a fire under his *$3 the past two weeks cus I saw him actually getting somewhat passionate and audibling. That is an incouraging sign. With that said if Aaron Brooks is finally going to stand up and start walking the walk of a franchise QB (which is what we are paying him as) then by all means step up and we don\'t have to go looking for a replacement; however, if he doesn\'t PROGRESS then I\'m not satisfied with him as our long term answer. I\'m not saying cut him or anything like that. He is certainly better than all the Shulers, Billy Joe\'s, and other flake quarterbacks we have had here. Still if he doesn\'t show overall improvement by the season\'s end . . . then we should start looking for a young QB we can groom behind him for a couple years, similiar to what the JETS did with Pennington. In parting I know someone is going to jump on this post screaming to \"look at Brooks\' numbers from the past two weeks. That\'s not improvement?\" Yes good numbers and good performances as well, but against teams that are a combined 2-11 this season. I\'m sorry but that isn\'t much of a statement for Brooks or the rest of this team. Do this against some quality opponents then we are turning some heads.