Will we have a new HC?

WhoDat · 11-10-2003, 09:00 PM

Show them to me.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-10-2003, 09:02 PM

Mike Shanahan
Head Coach

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Let\'s start with this one. Don\'t be giving me none of this stuff about he\'s won the superbowl before. If that\'s the case, we should have kept Ditka. Does Shanahan get a free pass. He\'s got his players and it\'s fault!! Right???

WhoDat · 11-10-2003, 09:02 PM

Does Shanahan get a free pass??

Possibly, b/c he won two Super Bowls FOR THAT TEAM - not for another team 20 years ago... but without a playoff appearence this year, I\'m not sure I\'d give him a pass. Especially with the incredible O-lines and RBs they\'ve had. I\'ve said that for a while. They should be better, and if I\'m making the call, yeah, he\'s on the hot seat a little bit. His TWO SUPER BOWLS will probably get him another year though. In Billy-land they\'d get him 20 more years, so, maybe one from WhoDat ain\'t bad.

[Edited on 11/11/2003 by WhoDat]

WhoDat · 11-10-2003, 09:06 PM

And PS - they\'ve had a great O-line and RBs, but average QBs and WRs. Not nearly what the Saints have had... so they\'ve done the same with less. Next...

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-10-2003, 09:09 PM

In my opinion, Mike Shanahan is one of the best coaches in the league. If he get\'s fired he wouldn\'t be without a job long. He is a perfect example of what I\'ve been trying to tell you \"fire eveyone\" guys. You keep wanting to point to the Bill Parcells of the world and it\'s not a valid argument in my mind. It\'s more than coaching and if I buy into all the arguements that you have been giving to fire Haslett, then I\'m to assume that Shanahan suddenly became a terrible coach.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-10-2003, 09:11 PM

And PS - they\'ve had a great O-line and RBs, but average QBs and WRs. Not nearly what the Saints have had... so they\'ve done the same with less. Next...

That\'s no excuse. Who is responsible for getting those players WhoDat? Huh? Why do they have less? Who\'s fault is that? See, you are doing exacty what I said you woud do. MAKE EXCUSES!!

whowatches · 11-10-2003, 09:26 PM

I think that the two main issues we\'re dealing with here are patience and accountability. The fans see talent and the potential for a high-scoring offense (which we got a glimpse of at the beginning of last seaon). This year, regardless of the reasons, the strength of this team is not performing to their potential.

Couple this with the fact that fans have witnessed the rags to riches stories of the Rams, the Ravens and the Patriots in recent Superbowls.

How do we find a medium between the two? How are fans supposed to be patient yet still hold coaches (and owners) accountable for teams that don\'t live up to expectations (or the hype used to sell tickets)?

WhoDat · 11-10-2003, 10:55 PM

There is one MAJOR difference Billy. Shanahan has PROVEN he is a good coach by putting good teams on the field consecutively for a decent period of time. He also won two Super Bowls during that period. Haslett has proven that he can revamp a team every year and the results won\'t change. He\'s proven he can\'t get a team to play in December. He is getting great at stuttering about not knowing what is going wrong. I\'ll give him that.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-10-2003, 11:01 PM

How much longer does Shanahan get? How long does his past performance buy him? Looks to me like like once Elway and Terrell Davis left that Shanahan isn\'t a good coach. Yet, you want to keep giviing him more chances. He\'s had long enough. I\'m tired of waiting on another John Elway to arrive. Shanahan must be fired!!

WhoDat · 11-10-2003, 11:11 PM

Can\'t argue with you there Billy. Maybe the man needs a change of scenery and the Broncos need new blood. Like I said earlier, he\'s on the fence for me. If he makes the playoff he stays, if not, I wouldn\'t scoff at him being fired. Just like Haslett, it won\'t happen, but it wouldn\'t hurt my feelings.

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ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? Mike Shanahan Head Coach \| 2000 den \| 11 5 0 \| 0 1 \| \| 2001 den \| 8 8 0 \| 0 0 \| \| 2002 den \| 9 7 0 \| 0 0 \| \| 2003 den \| 5 4 0 \| 0 0 \| +----------+--------------+----------+ Let\'s start with this one. Don\'t be giving me none of this stuff about he\'s won the superbowl before. If that\'s the case, we should have kept Ditka. Does Shanahan get a free pass. He\'s got his players and it\'s fault!! Right???

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Will we have a new HC? Does Shanahan get a free pass?? Possibly, b/c he won two Super Bowls FOR THAT TEAM - not for another team 20 years ago... but without a playoff appearence this year, I\'m not sure I\'d give him a pass. Especially with the incredible O-lines and RBs they\'ve had. I\'ve said that for a while. They should be better, and if I\'m making the call, yeah, he\'s on the hot seat a little bit. His TWO SUPER BOWLS will probably get him another year though. In Billy-land they\'d get him 20 more years, so, maybe one from WhoDat ain\'t bad. [Edited on 11/11/2003 by WhoDat]
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Will we have a new HC? And PS - they\'ve had a great O-line and RBs, but average QBs and WRs. Not nearly what the Saints have had... so they\'ve done the same with less. Next...
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ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? In my opinion, Mike Shanahan is one of the best coaches in the league. If he get\'s fired he wouldn\'t be without a job long. He is a perfect example of what I\'ve been trying to tell you \"fire eveyone\" guys. You keep wanting to point to the Bill Parcells of the world and it\'s not a valid argument in my mind. It\'s more than coaching and if I buy into all the arguements that you have been giving to fire Haslett, then I\'m to assume that Shanahan suddenly became a terrible coach.

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ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? And PS - they\'ve had a great O-line and RBs, but average QBs and WRs. Not nearly what the Saints have had... so they\'ve done the same with less. Next... That\'s no excuse. Who is responsible for getting those players WhoDat? Huh? Why do they have less? Who\'s fault is that? See, you are doing exacty what I said you woud do. MAKE EXCUSES!!

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whowatches 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 575	Will we have a new HC? I think that the two main issues we\'re dealing with here are patience and accountability. The fans see talent and the potential for a high-scoring offense (which we got a glimpse of at the beginning of last seaon). This year, regardless of the reasons, the strength of this team is not performing to their potential. Couple this with the fact that fans have witnessed the rags to riches stories of the Rams, the Ravens and the Patriots in recent Superbowls. How do we find a medium between the two? How are fans supposed to be patient yet still hold coaches (and owners) accountable for teams that don\'t live up to expectations (or the hype used to sell tickets)?
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11-10-2003, 10:55 PM	#68
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Will we have a new HC? There is one MAJOR difference Billy. Shanahan has PROVEN he is a good coach by putting good teams on the field consecutively for a decent period of time. He also won two Super Bowls during that period. Haslett has proven that he can revamp a team every year and the results won\'t change. He\'s proven he can\'t get a team to play in December. He is getting great at stuttering about not knowing what is going wrong. I\'ll give him that.
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11-10-2003, 11:01 PM	#69
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? How much longer does Shanahan get? How long does his past performance buy him? Looks to me like like once Elway and Terrell Davis left that Shanahan isn\'t a good coach. Yet, you want to keep giviing him more chances. He\'s had long enough. I\'m tired of waiting on another John Elway to arrive. Shanahan must be fired!!

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Will we have a new HC? Can\'t argue with you there Billy. Maybe the man needs a change of scenery and the Broncos need new blood. Like I said earlier, he\'s on the fence for me. If he makes the playoff he stays, if not, I wouldn\'t scoff at him being fired. Just like Haslett, it won\'t happen, but it wouldn\'t hurt my feelings.
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