WhoDat

PS - got any more stellar examples other than Shanahan? Or is that the only guy you have to compare to Haslett?

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-

I give you this WhoDat. You are very consistant. You are a man of your word and stick to the same criteria no matter who it is. But, you make a brotha work for everything..

P.S. -- Look dude, I had to work hard to find Shanahan.

[Edited on 11/11/2003 by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-]

rich006

How about Gruden, who took his team to a new level in his first year (a la Haslett), then turned them into a bunch of underachievers in his second year. He should probably be fired too.

The NFL is full of great coaches who aren\'t winning consistently, and mediocre coaches who win. Look at Dick Jauron. Two years ago: 13-3. Last year: 4-12 with mostly the same players. Performance is not as strongly correlated to ability as most people think.

How about Bill Callahan? In the Super Bowl last year, now 2-7 or thereabouts. Sure you can make excuses for Jauron and Callahan (i.e. injuries), but Haslett has had injuries too, and plenty of them. You can\'t blame him for all the team\'s failures any more than you could give him all the credit for the team\'s successes. I understand he\'s ulimately accountable for the team\'s performance, but that doesn\'t mean it\'s always under his control.

The decision whether to keep or fire a coach should not be based solely on performance. Team management has to look at how well the coach led his team given the circumstances and talent available.

"I'm going back to New Orleans, to wear that ball and chain."

WhoDat

Billy, sometimes I love ya. You just put the last nail in your own coffin on this one hombre. You had to work real hard to find another coach who has underachieved as much as Haslett. That says it all. The only other guy I think is in a similar boat is Wannstedt, and he is clearly on the hot seat. He\'ll get a foot in the a$$ if the Dolphins don\'t make the playoffs this year, and he should.

Gregg Williams in Buffalo is in some trouble too. Another bad year from Cowher and he\'ll be gone. Spurrier is on the hot seat after just one and a half seasons. Dan Reeves could be in trouble and his team went to the playoffs last season. What I\'m talking about here is not some anomoly that only happens in New Orleans. We\'re not ungrateful fans or any more demanding than any other team\'s fans. This is the standard in the NFL.

I bet you didn\'t notice that Marc Bulger, a guy who is playing like a top five QB right now on a team that is now 6-3 and that was winning, got booed last night by his home town fans. They cheered for him on the next play. That is the NFL. Sorry man, but you should get used to it. Did you get that Who-Tang yet?

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

JOESAM2002

Sorry Billy, can\'t help you with the name thing. That\'s up to Halo or the new guy they brought in to moderate. Guess you need to talk to one of them.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-

Hey Rich. I thougt that was a very good post. That\'s exactly the way I feel. I can see where WhoDat and the others are coming from though. It just seems to me that when it\'s time for a coach to be fired that is it more obvious than the situation with Haslett. Usually the players will start to speak out against the coach and just the opposite is happening now. It\'s no small feat to keep the troops in line when faced with the adversity they have had. To me, that is a sure sign of a good leader.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-

OK. I\'m glad you got you some anyway- And who is this coldfusion guy? Nevermind, I don\'t even want to go there --

WhoDat

I\'m glad that you brought up Jauron and Callahan. If those are your poster boys then you\'re in trouble b/c BOTH will be out of jobs after this season. So you\'re arguing to keep Haslett by citing coaches who are both going to get fired. Great job.

Let\'s consider these two guys. Jauron was 13-3 in the last year before realignment. That\'s when playing a last place schedule still meant something, and that\'s exactly what he did. Look at the three SBs before that year and you\'ll see a worst to first in just about all of them I think. Plus, that team won 4 games on hail marys, int run backs in OT, and all kinds of other BS. They were in essence a 9-7 team playing a last place schedule that got extraordinarily lucky. I live in Chicago. I saw it first hand. Let me tell you, I made a LOT of money betting that they wouldn\'t make it to .500 in the next year. I\'m making a lot of money this year again. Jauron will get fired, and he deserves to. He is not a good head coach.

Callahan went to the Super Bowl with a team that GRUDEN handed him on a silver platter. He didn\'t change a thing - coordinators, players, etc. were all the same. And look at what happens when he got to the Super Bowl and had to try to outcoach a guy who knew the scheme. They got DESTROYED. Then, in the off-season, Callahan feels that the NFL has caught up with the system that Gruden left him and so he changes everything. How\'s that working out again? He has completely lost that team, they are terrible, and he will be gone after this season.

How can you even try to argue with those two guys?

[Edited on 11/11/2003 by WhoDat]

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

WhoDat

Can I please get the OWNED picture in this thread? BnB?

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-

Well Rich. This is a fine mess you\'ve gotten us into. I now change my opinion on your post. You are on your on buddy --