Saints Secondary = Dome Patrol?

foreverfan · 12-17-2010, 12:06 PM

Our Secondary is the key to the Saints winning.

Are Sharper, Jenkins, Harper, Greer, Porter, Robertson equal to Johnson, Mills, Swilling, Jackson? Are they better?

Best Saints Secondary Ever!
In my 45 years of watching the Saints, we've never ever been close to having a shut down secondary. It's always been "OH CRAP" as another big play costs us another game. It might be fair to say that getting rid of one player in the secondary (Jason David) put us in the Superbowl. The great thing about the secondary (that Payton and Williams have built) is that it makes it almost impossible to play catch up with the Saints once we build a lead. It forces teams to run the football which can kill any come back attempt.

Ever wonder why the Saints are a 4th quarter team?
I think it's by design. In the past the Saints were always beat by the pass in the closing minutes of the 4th quarter. It always seemed that 2 minutes was an eternity. The prevent defense struck fear in to the hearts of Saints fans everywhere. Our secondary sucked and always costs us the game. This fact isn't lost on the current coaching staff. I think Williams knows that in this league you win by stopping the pass first and forcing the other team to run the football. This eliminates 4th quarter melt downs which we haven't seen since Williams got here.

Make Teams One Dementionable.
Williams wants you make you run the football late in games. He knows like so many Saints fans that games are lost in the 4th quarter by the passing game. It goes without saying that in order to have a shut down secondary, you need to have a good pass rush. Having both makes you a great defense and a great second half team. In the second half Williams lets the team play run defense on the way to the QB. This leads to turnovers and makes it very difficult for teams to come back in the 4th quarter.

Great Secondary Leads to More Possessions.
Ever notice at the end of the first half that the Saints always seem to squeeze in one more possession. When you have a shut down secondary, incompletions by the other team STOP THE CLOCK. I've seen quite a few games where we stop the other team and go down to score with seconds left in the 1st half. Payton and Williams are great at this. One more possession could easily be the difference in the game.

Actually... the Secondary may Prove to be Better.
In any case, the Dome Patrol was great and I'm not trying to take anything away from them. Still, we didn't win a SB with them. I actually think that a shut down secondary better if you have the DL to go with it.

Any arguments for the Dome Patrol?

History Agrees With Me.

FF

neugey · 12-17-2010, 12:11 PM

Call 'em the "Dime Patrol"

44Champs · 12-17-2010, 12:36 PM

I agree that this definitely the BEST secondary we've ever had. But I tend to think that GW would prefer the other teams to pass than run at the end of the game. Why? 2 reasons:

1) the other team is behind, and they need to throw in order to catch up
2) our D plays best when they can pin their ears back, take risks and go after the QB

If a team is running late in the ballgame, usually it's because they're running down the clock.

foreverfan · 12-17-2010, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

I agree that this definitely the BEST secondary we've ever had. But I tend to think that GW would prefer the other teams to pass than run at the end of the game. Why? 2 reasons:

1) the other team is behind, and they need to throw in order to catch up
2) our D plays best when they can pin their ears back, take risks and go after the QB

If a team is running late in the ballgame, usually it's because they're running down the clock.

You make my point exactly. Our team is built for the 4th quarter.
Look at our offense... it's built for the 4th quarter too.

Great QB, very good WRs, very good OL... very good TE... very good RBs...
Well on offense, we're just the stuff....

papz · 12-17-2010, 01:07 PM

I'd like our current secondary with the front 7 of the Dome Patrol. That's just sick nasty.

Turbo Saint · 12-17-2010, 01:08 PM

if you say dome patrol, i'm sorry but you're ignoring the facts that the secondary brought us a bowl in their real first year together...THEY'RE AMAZING.

foreverfan · 12-17-2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I'd like our current secondary with the front 7 of the Dome Patrol. That's just sick nasty.

You don't ask for much.

I really don't think it matters since the Dome Patrol was the #1 defense in the league.
The difference was an average offense. I'd take Brees over the Dome Patrol.

The Dome Foam Patrol

exile · 12-17-2010, 03:09 PM

The current offense with the Dome Patrol defense would have won multiple Superbowls. I like our current defense but it is "bend but don't break". The Dome Patrol defense was "don't bend or break".

Danno · 12-17-2010, 03:50 PM

Dome Patrol - 0 playoff victories

Current Secondary - Superbowl

Just sayin'

exile · 12-17-2010, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Dome Patrol - 0 playoff victories

Current Secondary - Superbowl

Just sayin'

True but you are missing all of the detail. And it is impossible to compare a secondary to a LB corp. So FF has been hitting the catnip again with this topic. Go figure.

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12-17-2010, 12:06 PM	#1
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Saints Secondary = Dome Patrol? Our Secondary is the key to the Saints winning. Are Sharper, Jenkins, Harper, Greer, Porter, Robertson equal to Johnson, Mills, Swilling, Jackson? Are they better? Best Saints Secondary Ever! In my 45 years of watching the Saints, we've never ever been close to having a shut down secondary. It's always been "OH CRAP" as another big play costs us another game. It might be fair to say that getting rid of one player in the secondary (Jason David) put us in the Superbowl. The great thing about the secondary (that Payton and Williams have built) is that it makes it almost impossible to play catch up with the Saints once we build a lead. It forces teams to run the football which can kill any come back attempt. Ever wonder why the Saints are a 4th quarter team? I think it's by design. In the past the Saints were always beat by the pass in the closing minutes of the 4th quarter. It always seemed that 2 minutes was an eternity. The prevent defense struck fear in to the hearts of Saints fans everywhere. Our secondary sucked and always costs us the game. This fact isn't lost on the current coaching staff. I think Williams knows that in this league you win by stopping the pass first and forcing the other team to run the football. This eliminates 4th quarter melt downs which we haven't seen since Williams got here. Make Teams One Dementionable. Williams wants you make you run the football late in games. He knows like so many Saints fans that games are lost in the 4th quarter by the passing game. It goes without saying that in order to have a shut down secondary, you need to have a good pass rush. Having both makes you a great defense and a great second half team. In the second half Williams lets the team play run defense on the way to the QB. This leads to turnovers and makes it very difficult for teams to come back in the 4th quarter. Great Secondary Leads to More Possessions. Ever notice at the end of the first half that the Saints always seem to squeeze in one more possession. When you have a shut down secondary, incompletions by the other team STOP THE CLOCK. I've seen quite a few games where we stop the other team and go down to score with seconds left in the 1st half. Payton and Williams are great at this. One more possession could easily be the difference in the game. Actually... the Secondary may Prove to be Better. In any case, the Dome Patrol was great and I'm not trying to take anything away from them. Still, we didn't win a SB with them. I actually think that a shut down secondary better if you have the DL to go with it. Any arguments for the Dome Patrol? History Agrees With Me. FF
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12-17-2010, 12:36 PM	#3
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	I agree that this definitely the BEST secondary we've ever had. But I tend to think that GW would prefer the other teams to pass than run at the end of the game. Why? 2 reasons: 1) the other team is behind, and they need to throw in order to catch up 2) our D plays best when they can pin their ears back, take risks and go after the QB If a team is running late in the ballgame, usually it's because they're running down the clock.
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12-17-2010, 01:00 PM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by 44Champs I agree that this definitely the BEST secondary we've ever had. But I tend to think that GW would prefer the other teams to pass than run at the end of the game. Why? 2 reasons: 1) the other team is behind, and they need to throw in order to catch up 2) our D plays best when they can pin their ears back, take risks and go after the QB If a team is running late in the ballgame, usually it's because they're running down the clock. You make my point exactly. Our team is built for the 4th quarter. Look at our offense... it's built for the 4th quarter too. Great QB, very good WRs, very good OL... very good TE... very good RBs... Well on offense, we're just the stuff....
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12-17-2010, 02:38 PM	#7
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by papz I'd like our current secondary with the front 7 of the Dome Patrol. That's just sick nasty. You don't ask for much. I really don't think it matters since the Dome Patrol was the #1 defense in the league. The difference was an average offense. I'd take Brees over the Dome Patrol. The Dome Foam Patrol
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12-17-2010, 12:11 PM	#2
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Call 'em the "Dime Patrol"

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	I'd like our current secondary with the front 7 of the Dome Patrol. That's just sick nasty.

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12-17-2010, 03:09 PM	#8
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	The current offense with the Dome Patrol defense would have won multiple Superbowls. I like our current defense but it is "bend but don't break". The Dome Patrol defense was "don't bend or break".
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12-17-2010, 03:50 PM	#9
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Dome Patrol - 0 playoff victories Current Secondary - Superbowl Just sayin'

12-17-2010, 04:26 PM	#10
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Originally Posted by Danno Dome Patrol - 0 playoff victories Current Secondary - Superbowl Just sayin' True but you are missing all of the detail. And it is impossible to compare a secondary to a LB corp. So FF has been hitting the catnip again with this topic. Go figure.
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