Saints Draft

papz · 01-29-2011, 01:38 PM

Very presumptuous of you, actually not an LSU fan; more an SEC fan and I grew up pulling for the underdog Tulane Green Wave...

My condolences.

The example was that his conventional style of play was not good enough to beat LSU at home; it was his runs that made the difference for Auburn that day; that won't cut it in the NFL (Not For Long).

That doesn't make any sense. He completed 66% of his passes this season for almost 3,000 yards with an excellent TD:INT ratio. He's proven he can not only do it with his feet, he more than a capable quarterback.

Here is Newton's scouting report.
Cam Newton NFL Draft scouting report - Mocking The Draft

That says failure all over it doesn't it?

My opinion, and I am confident of this, is that I hope he goes to a team I loathe, like the Redskins or 49'ers, so that they can suck it for another three years...

That's great. You still have not provided anything credible to why his skill set will not translate to the NFL. You seem clearly bias towards him.

FYI phrase(s) that begin with "you come off" are inappropriate, antagonistic and arrogant; not what I consider has been the general good spirit and discussion of the black and gold...

I'm just point out how you sound... I didn't say you were a ignorant jerk off who has no idea what you are talking about while trying to give me a lesson in life. "You come off" isn't "you are"... neither is that phrase inappropriate, antagonistic, or arrogant. I've clearly hit a nerve... but you will get no apology for taking it the way you have. You're a big boy, you'll get over it.

All I see are poor examples and empty excuses to why he's going to fail. I don't care if you don't like him... I don't either. But if you're going to sit behind your computer and have a knowledgeable debate about a player, at least bring something to the table.

jeanpierre · 01-30-2011, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by papz

That doesn't make any sense. He completed 66% of his passes this season for almost 3,000 yards with an excellent TD:INT ratio. He's proven he can not only do it with his feet, he more than a capable quarterback.

Here is Newton's scouting report.
Cam Newton NFL Draft scouting report - Mocking The Draft

That says failure all over it doesn't it?

That's great. You still have not provided anything credible to why his skill set will not translate to the NFL. You seem clearly bias towards him.

In only one season after transferring from Junior College this is what you have...

Dropping the patsy opponents from the schedule he Passed for the following yards againts the following quality opponents, dropping such PowerHouses like Arkansas St, Louisiana Monroe, and Chattanooga...

v. Mississippi St 136 Payds, 2 PaTd-1 Int
v. Clemson - 203 Payds, 2 PaTd - 2 Int
v. Kentucky - 210 Payds, 0 PaTd - 1 Int
v. Arkansas - 140 PaYds, 1 PaTd - 0 Int
v. LSU - 86 PaYds, 0 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Ole Miss 0 209 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Georgia 148 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 1 Int
v. Alabama 216 PaYds, 3 PaTd - 0 Int
v. S Carolina 335 PaYds, 4 PaTd - 0 Int
v. Oregon 265 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 1 Int

Quality Opponents Stats PYds 1948, PaTd 18, 6 Int...

Granted a nice 3:1 PaTD - Int ratio - but only 18 PaTd, mostly with 8-9 defenders in the box...

Against 10 quality opponents he has avg 194.8 PaYds...

That's what I'm looking at statitically; and if you watched the games, the film tape, there's no way I'd draft this bum in the first round...

Compounded with the fact of character - He left Florida to avoid being kicked out for cheating/academic fraud; then there's the Ms State shakedown that he and his father are involved...

Sure like to get a look at his Wonderlic Score, but we want to maintain players privacy and allow them to remove all doubt they're morons until they are interviewed on television...

This is Vince Young Redux, speaking of which...

You mentioned Mocking the Draft - This is what I read from the Scouting Report

Decision making: ...Comes out of Gus Malzahn's spread option where he doesn't have to make multiple reads. Doesn't anticipate a receiver's route that well.

Field vision: Here is where Newton is going to need the work. A lot of Auburn's passes came on receivers running double moves and deep crosses. ...a lot of Newton's passes come on the first read. When it's not there, the offense called for him to pull the ball and run. Since teams stacked the box... Newton didn't see a lot of complex coverages...He did early against Oregon ...got into trouble. He'll have to spend a lot of time in the film room to learn how to pass against defenses with good secondary play and an array of coverages.

Mechanics: Has an awkward throwing motion and will need to adjust his release point. Has a throwing motion very similar to Vince Young's...

And that's quoting Your citation, my friend...

Yeah, you draft this guy in Round 1...

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01-29-2011, 01:38 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Very presumptuous of you, actually not an LSU fan; more an SEC fan and I grew up pulling for the underdog Tulane Green Wave... My condolences. The example was that his conventional style of play was not good enough to beat LSU at home; it was his runs that made the difference for Auburn that day; that won't cut it in the NFL (Not For Long). That doesn't make any sense. He completed 66% of his passes this season for almost 3,000 yards with an excellent TD:INT ratio. He's proven he can not only do it with his feet, he more than a capable quarterback. Here is Newton's scouting report. Cam Newton NFL Draft scouting report - Mocking The Draft That says failure all over it doesn't it? My opinion, and I am confident of this, is that I hope he goes to a team I loathe, like the Redskins or 49'ers, so that they can suck it for another three years... That's great. You still have not provided anything credible to why his skill set will not translate to the NFL. You seem clearly bias towards him. FYI phrase(s) that begin with "you come off" are inappropriate, antagonistic and arrogant; not what I consider has been the general good spirit and discussion of the black and gold... I'm just point out how you sound... I didn't say you were a ignorant jerk off who has no idea what you are talking about while trying to give me a lesson in life. "You come off" isn't "you are"... neither is that phrase inappropriate, antagonistic, or arrogant. I've clearly hit a nerve... but you will get no apology for taking it the way you have. You're a big boy, you'll get over it. All I see are poor examples and empty excuses to why he's going to fail. I don't care if you don't like him... I don't either. But if you're going to sit behind your computer and have a knowledgeable debate about a player, at least bring something to the table.
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01-30-2011, 06:49 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Originally Posted by papz That doesn't make any sense. He completed 66% of his passes this season for almost 3,000 yards with an excellent TD:INT ratio. He's proven he can not only do it with his feet, he more than a capable quarterback. Here is Newton's scouting report. Cam Newton NFL Draft scouting report - Mocking The Draft That says failure all over it doesn't it? That's great. You still have not provided anything credible to why his skill set will not translate to the NFL. You seem clearly bias towards him. In only one season after transferring from Junior College this is what you have... Dropping the patsy opponents from the schedule he Passed for the following yards againts the following quality opponents, dropping such PowerHouses like Arkansas St, Louisiana Monroe, and Chattanooga... v. Mississippi St 136 Payds, 2 PaTd-1 Int v. Clemson - 203 Payds, 2 PaTd - 2 Int v. Kentucky - 210 Payds, 0 PaTd - 1 Int v. Arkansas - 140 PaYds, 1 PaTd - 0 Int v. LSU - 86 PaYds, 0 PaTd - 0 Int v. Ole Miss 0 209 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 0 Int v. Georgia 148 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 1 Int v. Alabama 216 PaYds, 3 PaTd - 0 Int v. S Carolina 335 PaYds, 4 PaTd - 0 Int v. Oregon 265 PaYds, 2 PaTd - 1 Int Quality Opponents Stats PYds 1948, PaTd 18, 6 Int... Granted a nice 3:1 PaTD - Int ratio - but only 18 PaTd, mostly with 8-9 defenders in the box... Against 10 quality opponents he has avg 194.8 PaYds... That's what I'm looking at statitically; and if you watched the games, the film tape, there's no way I'd draft this bum in the first round... Compounded with the fact of character - He left Florida to avoid being kicked out for cheating/academic fraud; then there's the Ms State shakedown that he and his father are involved... Sure like to get a look at his Wonderlic Score, but we want to maintain players privacy and allow them to remove all doubt they're morons until they are interviewed on television... This is Vince Young Redux, speaking of which... You mentioned Mocking the Draft - This is what I read from the Scouting Report Decision making: ...Comes out of Gus Malzahn's spread option where he doesn't have to make multiple reads. Doesn't anticipate a receiver's route that well. Field vision: Here is where Newton is going to need the work. A lot of Auburn's passes came on receivers running double moves and deep crosses. ...a lot of Newton's passes come on the first read. When it's not there, the offense called for him to pull the ball and run. Since teams stacked the box... Newton didn't see a lot of complex coverages...He did early against Oregon ...got into trouble. He'll have to spend a lot of time in the film room to learn how to pass against defenses with good secondary play and an array of coverages. Mechanics: Has an awkward throwing motion and will need to adjust his release point. Has a throwing motion very similar to Vince Young's... And that's quoting Your citation, my friend... Yeah, you draft this guy in Round 1...
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