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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Well this guy pretty much sums up my feelings.... By Pat McInally Special to NFL.com (Dec. 15, 2003) -- The saying goes, "There is no 'I' in team." But, unfortunately, there is an "m" and an "e." That's about all ...
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12-16-2003, 11:22 AM | #1 |
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Well this guy pretty much sums up my feelings....
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12-16-2003, 02:43 PM | #2 |
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I would have like to seen Haslett step up and deal with this rather than leave it up to the league. He talked to Horn about this after the machine gun celebration, looks like it did a lot of good.
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12-16-2003, 03:36 PM | #3 |
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This is the last remark I\'m going to make about the subject, but I am sick of this thing getting blown out of proportion. Some people are so up in arms simply because of perception. Why do we hold these guys in such high regards? If we were to condemn our politicians with the same iron fist that we do NFL athletes, you\'d need to hire an accounting firm just to keep up with all the fines. Alot of these guys do not come from healthy homes, and yet you expect them to act like they\'ve been brought up with all the tact and etiquette of the prince of england. It\'s so hypocritical, it\'s pathetic. NFL frowns upon this type of behavior, but when it helps sell \"NFL: Best of 2003\" VCR/DVD\'s, well, that\'s different. We fine players for hitting players in certain situations, but it\'s not so bad that it makes Tom Jackson\'s, \"Jacked Up\" series during NFL Countdown on Monday nights? And you honestly expect a small market player to compete with some of the well known celebrities of the bigger markets as far as endorsements are concerned? When was the last time you saw a Saint on a national commercial? I expect to see a few next year with Deuce, but that hasn\'t happened yet. I just don\'t get it.
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I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik? |
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12-16-2003, 04:15 PM | #4 |
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You’re right B&B; some of these guys didn’t grow up in the best situations. And a lot of them don’t have the class or the etiquette of the Prince of England (not that I give him much anyways). However these guys have now risen to the level where not only are they superstars, they are also role models for our young. Horn stated that he knew he was going to be fined $10 000 - $15 000, but he felt it was worth it. Is this saying that you are allowed (or justified) to break laws, as long as you feel it’s worth it?
Now I realize that there is a difference between the NFL rules and laws of society, but the message that he gives still states that it’s ok to break rules and he knowingly broke one… damn the repercussions. A lot of these guys didn’t come from healthy homes, as do a lot of their fans and admirers. I always feel that if you are in the public eye and are held in a role model position, you should act like it. I have always liked Horn, but I do not like what he did, as I saw someone else post earlier (I think lummOx) if I wanted to see crap like that I would watch the WWE. It cheapens the sport. |
12-16-2003, 05:35 PM | #5 |
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Yeah, there is a difference between NFL rules and the laws of society. The funny thing is that the main reason these guys are idolized in today\'s society partly due to the money they make. We only have ourselves to blame for that one. If we were to pay people based on their role-model status, don\'t you think that military as well as police and firemen, who risk their lives on a daily basis should be the millionares? But we follow suit, we buy into the jerseys and the season tickets, which in return makes these athletes millionares. We created the monster because we participate, and now you want to reprimand him?
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12-16-2003, 08:08 PM | #6 |
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In defense of my own post, it\'s just my opinion. I don\'t think it belongs in the sport. I will still cheer for Jow Horn to play well and for his and Saints success, but I will not buy any of his memorabilia, because it\'s not the player I would wish to glorify, but the person. I would proudly wear a Barry Sanders or Walter Payton jersey because of the man each is and was. I respect them as individuals for the manner in which they conduct themselves. Joe Horn, I respect as a player.
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12-16-2003, 08:18 PM | #7 |
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If Has fines him that doesn\'t mean the league will not... He could be fined twice. Horn is a team player ok he messed, something he sort of regrets but its over and done with except for the league fine... Aside from voicing our opinions here there is nothing we can debate on this that will change what happened.
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12-16-2003, 09:34 PM | #8 |
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I understand that fans don\'t want all the excessive celebrations to go on, like the cell phone thing. I feel it does take the focus off the game. Plus, if allowed to continue, things will just escalate.
What I don\'t understand is why this is being so overblown, to the point where Joe Horn is being called \"classless.\" I have never seen ANYONE call a player \"classless\" when they punch another player in the face, curse them out, or draw a flag for dancing too much. If pulling a cell phone out is considered classless, then how about punching someone in the face. This is accectable by most \"old school\" fans becasue it has been allowed to go on since the inception of football. This also draws a 15-yard penalty, just like Joe\'s stunt did. I think the problem is that the \"old school\" folks just don\'t like it. They want things left the way they are. I know Joe\'s stunt was premeditated and when a player punches someone it probably was in the heat of the moment, but that\'s \"classless\" in my opinion. Try punching someone on the street and telling the judge that you did it in the heat of the moment and then go tell the guy\'s kids that you didn\'t mean to hit his daddy. Now, I don\'t have a problem with the fights that break out on the field and I\'m only trying to make a point that those of you who are calling Joe \"classless\" might just be \"old school\" and using some double standards here? P.S. -- I am not trying to offend anyone here. |
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Billy, while I think I agree that \"classless\" is an overstatement (especially since the TO thingy didn\'t draw the same ire), who got punched in the face? I was just wondering.
I think this simple rule should be this: 1. if you do something dumb, that doesn\'t hurt anyone and annoys the people who the product is marketed to, you should get a fine. Set the fine higher if you don\'t want so much stupidity. I think I may even be of the opinion that the 15 yard penalty is too much. It is a silly action that is not the team\'s fault. 2. If you do something dumb that might injure another player, then there should be serious sanctions - fines, yardage, and suspensions. Of course, I prefer when everybody plays the game in good sportsmanship, but really how big a deal is it that some guys are glory hogs? It may offend some people, but it is not like chop-blocking a player who is already engaged in a block - that\'s cheap and disgusting. Pulling out a cell phone is just dumb. |
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12-16-2003, 09:51 PM | #10 |
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I\'ve seen player get punched in the face. I can\'t specifically remember any right off hand, but it\'s happened. I\'ve seen players kicked, hit late, all on purpose. That is \"classless\" That also interupts the game far longer than Joe Horn did. I\'ve seen whole teams start fighting because one fitght started.
Peoples problem isn\'t with the penalty it draws. They grew up watching players fight, so that is accectable. They didn\'t grow up watching cell phones on the field. So, they don\'t like it. |