Should Saints be looking for WRs?

Danno · 08-14-2011, 07:24 PM

You never say never, but if I had to list the positions we need more help at, WR would be almost dead last.

saintsfan1976 · 08-14-2011, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You never say never, but if I had to list the positions we need more help at, WR would be almost dead last.

Probably the one thing we disagree on...

We lack a "true" #1.

Before you answer "Colston" - where would he be without Brees?

Moore is good. But can he survive outside the slot?

Meachem is good. But is he anything more than a younger Devery Henderson???

I'm beginning to think that our WR's succeeded more from the presence of Reggie Bush than without.

Just a thought...

Danno · 08-14-2011, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Probably the one thing we disagree on...

We lack a "true" #1.

Before you answer "Colston" - where would he be without Brees?

Moore is good. But can he survive outside the slot?

Meachem is good. But is he anything more than a younger Devery Henderson???

I'm beginning to think that our WR's succeeded more from the presence of Reggie Bush than without.

Just a thought...

I think Colston would still be an excellent #1 on most teams. His body control and block-out ability is exceptional. He doesn't need Brees to succeed.

Moore is cat quick. Brees isn't the only NFL QB who can hit slot WR's.

Meachem is an excellent #2 WR and from all camp reports has improved his game quite a bit.

Henderson is better than a lot of teams #3 or #4 WR.

We also have a lot of young up and comers on the team too. You need your 5th and 6th WR's to play special teams.

saintsfan1976 · 08-14-2011, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I think Colston would still be an excellent #1 on most teams. His body control and block-out ability is exceptional. He doesn't need Brees to succeed.

Moore is cat quick. Brees isn't the only NFL QB who can hit slot WR's.

Meachem is an excellent #2 WR and from all camp reports has improved his game quite a bit.

Henderson is better than a lot of teams #3 or #4 WR.

We also have a lot of young up and comers on the team too. You need your 5th and 6th WR's to play special teams.

Devil's advocate here...

So that's why Colston was drafted so high??

I didn't say Moore was anything moore (get it?) than a "slot receiver" - that's the point.

Meachem. #2. That's my point.

Henderson was always a #3, #4, #5 WR... Payton needed his speed to stretch defenses and that's the major reason he remained on the team. Remember that Meachem was injured when he was drafted.

I don't want to sound like I'm not a fan of our WR crew. I really believe that Billings and Morgan and Arrington and Lorenzen and whoever else are "good enough" receivers to have a shot at making the team B U T Brees's longevity is dramatically extended with a "true" #1 WR.

Danno · 08-14-2011, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Devil's advocate here...

So that's why Colston was drafted so high??

C'mon SF1976, are you serious?

saintsfan1976 · 08-14-2011, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

C'mon SF1976, are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. Would Colston be the player he is now in the NFL w/o Brees?

All of our other WR's have over performed...compared to their respective careers prior to joining the Saints.

FinSaint · 08-14-2011, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Yes, I'm serious. Would Colston be the player he is now in the NFL w/o Brees?

All of our other WR's have over performed...compared to their respective careers prior to joining the Saints.

From Colston's roster bio:

He’s only the sixth NFL player to reach 1,000 receiving yards in four of his first five seasons.

That can't be all just Brees, there has to be talent there also. If anything, being in the Saints has made Colston invisible to the national media, which is why he is rarely mentioned in any discussion about top WRs in the NFL.

FinSaint · 08-14-2011, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So that's why Colston was drafted so high??

Does that mean that Brady would be a backup at most if it weren't for Bill's great schemes?

SAINT_MICHAEL · 08-14-2011, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

B U T Brees's longevity is dramatically extended with a "true" #1 WR.

How does this equate out of curiosity? Are you saying Brees would take fewer hits if he had a receiver who was open more often than the current group is because he would get rid of the ball more quickly?

strato · 08-14-2011, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

How does this equate out of curiosity? Are you saying Brees would take fewer hits if he had a receiver who was open more often than the current group is because he would get rid of the ball more quickly?

He maka no sense...lol

08-14-2011, 09:27 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno C'mon SF1976, are you serious? Yes, I'm serious. Would Colston be the player he is now in the NFL w/o Brees? All of our other WR's have over performed...compared to their respective careers prior to joining the Saints.

08-14-2011, 09:32 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Yes, I'm serious. Would Colston be the player he is now in the NFL w/o Brees? All of our other WR's have over performed...compared to their respective careers prior to joining the Saints. From Colston's roster bio: He’s only the sixth NFL player to reach 1,000 receiving yards in four of his first five seasons. That can't be all just Brees, there has to be talent there also. If anything, being in the Saints has made Colston invisible to the national media, which is why he is rarely mentioned in any discussion about top WRs in the NFL.

08-14-2011, 09:15 PM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So that's why Colston was drafted so high?? Does that mean that Brady would be a backup at most if it weren't for Bill's great schemes?

08-14-2011, 09:49 PM	#9
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 B U T Brees's longevity is dramatically extended with a "true" #1 WR. How does this equate out of curiosity? Are you saying Brees would take fewer hits if he had a receiver who was open more often than the current group is because he would get rid of the ball more quickly? strato likes this.
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08-14-2011, 09:50 PM	#10
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL How does this equate out of curiosity? Are you saying Brees would take fewer hits if he had a receiver who was open more often than the current group is because he would get rid of the ball more quickly? He maka no sense...lol

08-14-2011, 07:24 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	You never say never, but if I had to list the positions we need more help at, WR would be almost dead last.

08-14-2011, 08:04 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno You never say never, but if I had to list the positions we need more help at, WR would be almost dead last. Probably the one thing we disagree on... We lack a "true" #1. Before you answer "Colston" - where would he be without Brees? Moore is good. But can he survive outside the slot? Meachem is good. But is he anything more than a younger Devery Henderson??? I'm beginning to think that our WR's succeeded more from the presence of Reggie Bush than without. Just a thought...

08-14-2011, 08:48 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Probably the one thing we disagree on... We lack a "true" #1. Before you answer "Colston" - where would he be without Brees? Moore is good. But can he survive outside the slot? Meachem is good. But is he anything more than a younger Devery Henderson??? I'm beginning to think that our WR's succeeded more from the presence of Reggie Bush than without. Just a thought... I think Colston would still be an excellent #1 on most teams. His body control and block-out ability is exceptional. He doesn't need Brees to succeed. Moore is cat quick. Brees isn't the only NFL QB who can hit slot WR's. Meachem is an excellent #2 WR and from all camp reports has improved his game quite a bit. Henderson is better than a lot of teams #3 or #4 WR. We also have a lot of young up and comers on the team too. You need your 5th and 6th WR's to play special teams. FinSaint likes this.

08-14-2011, 09:04 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Danno I think Colston would still be an excellent #1 on most teams. His body control and block-out ability is exceptional. He doesn't need Brees to succeed. Moore is cat quick. Brees isn't the only NFL QB who can hit slot WR's. Meachem is an excellent #2 WR and from all camp reports has improved his game quite a bit. Henderson is better than a lot of teams #3 or #4 WR. We also have a lot of young up and comers on the team too. You need your 5th and 6th WR's to play special teams. Devil's advocate here... So that's why Colston was drafted so high?? I didn't say Moore was anything moore (get it?) than a "slot receiver" - that's the point. Meachem. #2. That's my point. Henderson was always a #3, #4, #5 WR... Payton needed his speed to stretch defenses and that's the major reason he remained on the team. Remember that Meachem was injured when he was drafted. I don't want to sound like I'm not a fan of our WR crew. I really believe that Billings and Morgan and Arrington and Lorenzen and whoever else are "good enough" receivers to have a shot at making the team B U T Brees's longevity is dramatically extended with a "true" #1 WR.

08-14-2011, 09:07 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Devil's advocate here... So that's why Colston was drafted so high?? C'mon SF1976, are you serious?