Seriously I am ready to boycott the Saints until somone is fired

Memnoch_TP · 08-28-2011, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its Morstead, a Punter.

Correct. A punter wouldn't have been worth those draft picks, but he is a Punter! I'm glad you are finally coming around.

FinSaint · 08-28-2011, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Correct. A punter wouldn't have been worth those draft picks, but he is a Punter! I'm glad you are finally coming around.

I think that it's all relative, and come on man - it was a 5th round draft pick. Other than Jenkins... would you say that the two 4th round picks before him have made a bigger contribution to the Saints' success since the draft: Chip Vaughn and Stanley Arnoux.

Personally I would say that Morstead has been a key contributor to what the Saints have done in the kicking game during the last couple of seasons, and I would definitely say that the 5th round pick was very deservedly used on him.

As for the trade up... NYG picked Stoney Woodson with the Saints' 7th in '09 and Mick Petrus in '10 with the 5th. I haven't heard neither one of them making headlines lately, have you? Naturally the Saints could've made better choices with those picks, but that is not guaranteed as just the 4th round pick of Chip Vaughn in the '09 draft proves.

If not for McBride of the Cowgirls, Morstead would already be a perennial pro bowl punter, so show some love for the kickers too... they're key parts of the whole as well.

Danno · 08-28-2011, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Naturally the Saints could've made better choices with those picks,

Yep, it was 2 picks in a 4 pick draft, no other team has ever done that to my knowlege.

He's a punter, and its the most insignificant position on a football team.

Memnoch_TP · 08-28-2011, 09:41 AM

I think the Punter was much more significant than the backup QB has been, considering the Punter has actually been on the field contributing to the team while the backup QB has been standing around holding a clipboard.

And please, don't give me a weak "Well he coulda' been more important in a what-if scenario that didn't happen." argument.

Danno · 08-28-2011, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

I think the Punter was much more significant than the backup QB has been, considering the Punter has actually been on the field contributing to the team while the backup QB has been standing around holding a clipboard.

And please, don't give me a weak "Well he coulda' been more important in a what-if scenario that didn't happen." argument.

I don't need to do that. He's a punter, we gave up two picks for the least important "position" on the team. End of discussion.

But I got plenty more if you want to go at it again, and again, and again.

TheDeuce · 08-28-2011, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

My argument = "Here are the facts and this is my opinion on them"

Your argument = "Sean Payton should be fired as the Head Coach of the Saints because he wasn't/isn't as good a player as Drew Brees, so he should have no comment on how Drew plays football."

What on God's green earth are you talking about? Where did I say anything about Payton being fired? In fact, I said the exact opposite: nobody needs to be fired because of an injury. That was my point, then you came busting in saying that I am some sort of sunshiner who is never critical of players... which is not only incorrect, but way out of left field. Which leads me back to my question: what are you talking about?

OldMaid · 08-28-2011, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by strato

All teams are suffering with the same thing...lockout

good point.missed real trainings by the trainers and coaching staff even if the guys did their training/conditioning thing.

FinSaint · 08-28-2011, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I don't need to do that. He's a punter, we gave up two picks for the least important "position" on the team. End of discussion.

But I got plenty more if you want to go at it again, and again, and again.

So, would you be willing to trade Morstead for Stoney Woodson and Mick Petrus 'cos who knows maybe those would've been the picks that the Saints would also have made?

Oh, and if you're saying that the punter is the least important player on the roster... what does that mean for the long snapper?

saintfan · 08-28-2011, 12:31 PM

As for me I think special teams, to include punting, are amazingly underrated.

Danno · 08-28-2011, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

So, would you be willing to trade Morstead for Stoney Woodson and Mick Petrus 'cos who knows maybe those would've been the picks that the Saints would also have made?

Oh, and if you're saying that the punter is the least important player on the roster... what does that mean for the long snapper?

I waiver between LS and P as the least important position on a team.

Would you rather have Nicks, Strief, Colston, or Tennant, or a freaking punter?

And if you wanna play the what-if game, suppose Morstead was a bust? Is he still worth two picks in a draft where we only had 4 picks? Judging from our special teams units a real football player probably benefits us more than a punter.

Guess how many punters were picked this entire decade. And guess how many were picked in round 5 or earlier. And guess how many draft picks those teams had when they picked that punter that early.

I'll take a Carl Nicks over a punter all day long, especially if I only have 4 picks.

08-28-2011, 01:24 AM	#41
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by Danno Its Morstead, a Punter. Correct. A punter wouldn't have been worth those draft picks, but he is a Punter! I'm glad you are finally coming around.

08-28-2011, 08:44 AM	#42
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Correct. A punter wouldn't have been worth those draft picks, but he is a Punter! I'm glad you are finally coming around. I think that it's all relative, and come on man - it was a 5th round draft pick. Other than Jenkins... would you say that the two 4th round picks before him have made a bigger contribution to the Saints' success since the draft: Chip Vaughn and Stanley Arnoux. Personally I would say that Morstead has been a key contributor to what the Saints have done in the kicking game during the last couple of seasons, and I would definitely say that the 5th round pick was very deservedly used on him. As for the trade up... NYG picked Stoney Woodson with the Saints' 7th in '09 and Mick Petrus in '10 with the 5th. I haven't heard neither one of them making headlines lately, have you? Naturally the Saints could've made better choices with those picks, but that is not guaranteed as just the 4th round pick of Chip Vaughn in the '09 draft proves. If not for McBride of the Cowgirls, Morstead would already be a perennial pro bowl punter, so show some love for the kickers too... they're key parts of the whole as well. strato likes this.
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08-28-2011, 09:10 AM	#43
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by FinSaint Naturally the Saints could've made better choices with those picks, Yep, it was 2 picks in a 4 pick draft, no other team has ever done that to my knowlege. He's a punter, and its the most insignificant position on a football team.

08-28-2011, 09:45 AM	#45
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP I think the Punter was much more significant than the backup QB has been, considering the Punter has actually been on the field contributing to the team while the backup QB has been standing around holding a clipboard. And please, don't give me a weak "Well he coulda' been more important in a what-if scenario that didn't happen." argument. I don't need to do that. He's a punter, we gave up two picks for the least important "position" on the team. End of discussion. But I got plenty more if you want to go at it again, and again, and again.

08-28-2011, 10:30 AM	#46
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP My argument = "Here are the facts and this is my opinion on them" Your argument = "Sean Payton should be fired as the Head Coach of the Saints because he wasn't/isn't as good a player as Drew Brees, so he should have no comment on how Drew plays football." What on God's green earth are you talking about? Where did I say anything about Payton being fired? In fact, I said the exact opposite: nobody needs to be fired because of an injury. That was my point, then you came busting in saying that I am some sort of sunshiner who is never critical of players... which is not only incorrect, but way out of left field. Which leads me back to my question: what are you talking about?
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08-28-2011, 09:41 AM	#44
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	I think the Punter was much more significant than the backup QB has been, considering the Punter has actually been on the field contributing to the team while the backup QB has been standing around holding a clipboard. And please, don't give me a weak "Well he coulda' been more important in a what-if scenario that didn't happen." argument.

08-28-2011, 11:29 AM	#47
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by strato All teams are suffering with the same thing...lockout good point.missed real trainings by the trainers and coaching staff even if the guys did their training/conditioning thing.

08-28-2011, 12:19 PM	#48
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Danno I don't need to do that. He's a punter, we gave up two picks for the least important "position" on the team. End of discussion. But I got plenty more if you want to go at it again, and again, and again. So, would you be willing to trade Morstead for Stoney Woodson and Mick Petrus 'cos who knows maybe those would've been the picks that the Saints would also have made? Oh, and if you're saying that the punter is the least important player on the roster... what does that mean for the long snapper?

08-28-2011, 12:31 PM	#49
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	As for me I think special teams, to include punting, are amazingly underrated. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-28-2011, 02:18 PM	#50
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by FinSaint So, would you be willing to trade Morstead for Stoney Woodson and Mick Petrus 'cos who knows maybe those would've been the picks that the Saints would also have made? Oh, and if you're saying that the punter is the least important player on the roster... what does that mean for the long snapper? I waiver between LS and P as the least important position on a team. Would you rather have Nicks, Strief, Colston, or Tennant, or a freaking punter? And if you wanna play the what-if game, suppose Morstead was a bust? Is he still worth two picks in a draft where we only had 4 picks? Judging from our special teams units a real football player probably benefits us more than a punter. Guess how many punters were picked this entire decade. And guess how many were picked in round 5 or earlier. And guess how many draft picks those teams had when they picked that punter that early. I'll take a Carl Nicks over a punter all day long, especially if I only have 4 picks.

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