Seriously I am ready to boycott the Saints until somone is fired

Pete · 08-26-2011, 10:21 PM

WTF!I'll Fire myself

CheramieIII · 08-27-2011, 09:35 AM

Simma down now, simma down. No one needs to be fired, it's the players who need to keep in shape during the offseason instead of letting themselves go and they could probably warm up a little more before they start headbutting the crap out of each other. Look these guys are adults and get paid alot of money to play a game. Their only responsibility is too stay in shape so they can play. I don't see it any other way. Coaches brought us to the promised land and I don't care if they loose for the next 30 seasons. SAINTS WON A FREAKING SUPERBOWL END OF STORY!

Memnoch_TP · 08-28-2011, 08:41 AM

I think the Punter was much more significant than the backup QB has been, considering the Punter has actually been on the field contributing to the team while the backup QB has been standing around holding a clipboard.

And please, don't give me a weak "Well he coulda' been more important in a what-if scenario that didn't happen." argument.

Danno · 08-28-2011, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

I think the Punter was much more significant than the backup QB has been, considering the Punter has actually been on the field contributing to the team while the backup QB has been standing around holding a clipboard.

And please, don't give me a weak "Well he coulda' been more important in a what-if scenario that didn't happen." argument.

I don't need to do that. He's a punter, we gave up two picks for the least important "position" on the team. End of discussion.

But I got plenty more if you want to go at it again, and again, and again.

FinSaint · 08-28-2011, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I don't need to do that. He's a punter, we gave up two picks for the least important "position" on the team. End of discussion.

But I got plenty more if you want to go at it again, and again, and again.

So, would you be willing to trade Morstead for Stoney Woodson and Mick Petrus 'cos who knows maybe those would've been the picks that the Saints would also have made?

Oh, and if you're saying that the punter is the least important player on the roster... what does that mean for the long snapper?

Danno · 08-28-2011, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

So, would you be willing to trade Morstead for Stoney Woodson and Mick Petrus 'cos who knows maybe those would've been the picks that the Saints would also have made?

Oh, and if you're saying that the punter is the least important player on the roster... what does that mean for the long snapper?

I waiver between LS and P as the least important position on a team.

Would you rather have Nicks, Strief, Colston, or Tennant, or a freaking punter?

And if you wanna play the what-if game, suppose Morstead was a bust? Is he still worth two picks in a draft where we only had 4 picks? Judging from our special teams units a real football player probably benefits us more than a punter.

Guess how many punters were picked this entire decade. And guess how many were picked in round 5 or earlier. And guess how many draft picks those teams had when they picked that punter that early.

I'll take a Carl Nicks over a punter all day long, especially if I only have 4 picks.

FinSaint · 08-28-2011, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I waiver between LS and P as the least important position on a team.

Would you rather have Nicks, Strief, Colston, or Tennant, or a freaking punter?

And if you wanna play the what-if game, suppose Morstead was a bust? Is he still worth two picks in a draft where we only had 4 picks? Judging from our special teams units a real football player probably benefits us more than a punter.

Guess how many punters were picked this entire decade. And guess how many were picked in round 5 or earlier. And guess how many draft picks those teams had when they picked that punter that early.

I'll take a Carl Nicks over a punter all day long, especially if I only have 4 picks.

First of all, the Saints had 4 picks before the trade up and they had 4 picks after the trade up in the 2009 draft, because they exchanged their 7th round pick that year for the NYG 5th round pick. Now, they did give up a 5th round pick in the 2010 draft, but they still ended up with 6 picks that year.

As for the whether I would prefer to have Nicks over Morstead - I won't even answer that 'cos that's naturally a given. Also, he wasn't available in either of the the draft classes of 2009 or 2010, so he couldn't have been drafted instead of Morstead.

The only one who we could really play the what-if game with out of that group of players is Tennant, and I would maybe lean towards Tennant on that one too, but it would not be a "cut and dry" decision for me.

Obviously the Saints wanted Morstead and saw in him something that they felt justified the trade up which they went ahead with, so in that respect I would say that it was worth it. And, furthermore, I don't remember a single time after Morstead became the Saints' punter that I've thought to myself: "if only the Saints had a punter, who would make our ST better."

Being a punter is definitely not as flashy of a position as being a QB, RB or a WR, for example, but you can't play successfully without having a guy making those kicks. The punting game can be that one thing that decides the outcome of a tightly fought game, where field position is ultimately what brings home the W. When a situation like that presents itself, you'll more than likely be happy that the Saints have one of the best punters in the league, and couldn't care less about the backup center.

jnormand · 08-31-2011, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I waiver between LS and P as the least important position on a team.

Would you rather have Nicks, Strief, Colston, or Tennant, or a freaking punter?

And if you wanna play the what-if game, suppose Morstead was a bust? Is he still worth two picks in a draft where we only had 4 picks? Judging from our special teams units a real football player probably benefits us more than a punter.

Actually if you think about it, punter is probably one of the reliable positions to gamble on. Besides getting injured, how does a punter become a bust? Ha ha.

saintfan · 08-28-2011, 11:31 AM

As for me I think special teams, to include punting, are amazingly underrated.

iceshack149 · 08-30-2011, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

As for me I think special teams, to include punting, are amazingly underrated.

Yes. And so far this preseason the Saints special teams have been very good.

08-27-2011, 09:35 AM	#2
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Simma down now, simma down. No one needs to be fired, it's the players who need to keep in shape during the offseason instead of letting themselves go and they could probably warm up a little more before they start headbutting the crap out of each other. Look these guys are adults and get paid alot of money to play a game. Their only responsibility is too stay in shape so they can play. I don't see it any other way. Coaches brought us to the promised land and I don't care if they loose for the next 30 seasons. SAINTS WON A FREAKING SUPERBOWL END OF STORY! Saint_LB and strato like this.
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08-28-2011, 08:45 AM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP I think the Punter was much more significant than the backup QB has been, considering the Punter has actually been on the field contributing to the team while the backup QB has been standing around holding a clipboard. And please, don't give me a weak "Well he coulda' been more important in a what-if scenario that didn't happen." argument. I don't need to do that. He's a punter, we gave up two picks for the least important "position" on the team. End of discussion. But I got plenty more if you want to go at it again, and again, and again.

08-28-2011, 11:19 AM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by Danno I don't need to do that. He's a punter, we gave up two picks for the least important "position" on the team. End of discussion. But I got plenty more if you want to go at it again, and again, and again. So, would you be willing to trade Morstead for Stoney Woodson and Mick Petrus 'cos who knows maybe those would've been the picks that the Saints would also have made? Oh, and if you're saying that the punter is the least important player on the roster... what does that mean for the long snapper?

08-28-2011, 01:18 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by FinSaint So, would you be willing to trade Morstead for Stoney Woodson and Mick Petrus 'cos who knows maybe those would've been the picks that the Saints would also have made? Oh, and if you're saying that the punter is the least important player on the roster... what does that mean for the long snapper? I waiver between LS and P as the least important position on a team. Would you rather have Nicks, Strief, Colston, or Tennant, or a freaking punter? And if you wanna play the what-if game, suppose Morstead was a bust? Is he still worth two picks in a draft where we only had 4 picks? Judging from our special teams units a real football player probably benefits us more than a punter. Guess how many punters were picked this entire decade. And guess how many were picked in round 5 or earlier. And guess how many draft picks those teams had when they picked that punter that early. I'll take a Carl Nicks over a punter all day long, especially if I only have 4 picks.

08-28-2011, 01:43 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by Danno I waiver between LS and P as the least important position on a team. Would you rather have Nicks, Strief, Colston, or Tennant, or a freaking punter? And if you wanna play the what-if game, suppose Morstead was a bust? Is he still worth two picks in a draft where we only had 4 picks? Judging from our special teams units a real football player probably benefits us more than a punter. Guess how many punters were picked this entire decade. And guess how many were picked in round 5 or earlier. And guess how many draft picks those teams had when they picked that punter that early. I'll take a Carl Nicks over a punter all day long, especially if I only have 4 picks. First of all, the Saints had 4 picks before the trade up and they had 4 picks after the trade up in the 2009 draft, because they exchanged their 7th round pick that year for the NYG 5th round pick. Now, they did give up a 5th round pick in the 2010 draft, but they still ended up with 6 picks that year. As for the whether I would prefer to have Nicks over Morstead - I won't even answer that 'cos that's naturally a given. Also, he wasn't available in either of the the draft classes of 2009 or 2010, so he couldn't have been drafted instead of Morstead. The only one who we could really play the what-if game with out of that group of players is Tennant, and I would maybe lean towards Tennant on that one too, but it would not be a "cut and dry" decision for me. Obviously the Saints wanted Morstead and saw in him something that they felt justified the trade up which they went ahead with, so in that respect I would say that it was worth it. And, furthermore, I don't remember a single time after Morstead became the Saints' punter that I've thought to myself: "if only the Saints had a punter, who would make our ST better." Being a punter is definitely not as flashy of a position as being a QB, RB or a WR, for example, but you can't play successfully without having a guy making those kicks. The punting game can be that one thing that decides the outcome of a tightly fought game, where field position is ultimately what brings home the W. When a situation like that presents itself, you'll more than likely be happy that the Saints have one of the best punters in the league, and couldn't care less about the backup center. Crusader likes this.
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08-26-2011, 10:21 PM	#1
Pete • Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Patterson, LA Posts: 1,757	WTF!I'll Fire myself

08-28-2011, 08:41 AM	#3
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	I think the Punter was much more significant than the backup QB has been, considering the Punter has actually been on the field contributing to the team while the backup QB has been standing around holding a clipboard. And please, don't give me a weak "Well he coulda' been more important in a what-if scenario that didn't happen." argument.

08-31-2011, 07:32 AM	#8
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,786	Originally Posted by Danno I waiver between LS and P as the least important position on a team. Would you rather have Nicks, Strief, Colston, or Tennant, or a freaking punter? And if you wanna play the what-if game, suppose Morstead was a bust? Is he still worth two picks in a draft where we only had 4 picks? Judging from our special teams units a real football player probably benefits us more than a punter. Actually if you think about it, punter is probably one of the reliable positions to gamble on. Besides getting injured, how does a punter become a bust? Ha ha. strato likes this.

08-28-2011, 11:31 AM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	As for me I think special teams, to include punting, are amazingly underrated. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-30-2011, 04:58 PM	#10
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,450 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by saintfan As for me I think special teams, to include punting, are amazingly underrated. Yes. And so far this preseason the Saints special teams have been very good.

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