Thoughts on Going for it on 4th down in the 3rd

SaintGup · 09-09-2011, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

All coaches handbooks tell you to take the 3 points on the road. But at that time in the game we were running the ball pretty good and that was just a bad play call. That should have been a QB sneek not a roll out pass. I liked the go for it mentality just not the play that was called.

Totally agree. You could argue for the three points but it wasn't the decision for me, I love our coach and would expect nothing less, but it was the play selection.

Kryptonite · 09-09-2011, 11:41 AM

I think going for it was the right call, and I was yelling it the whole time...but a pass? C'mon son! Play calling has always been an issue w/Peyton (IMHO). I've always thought that Peyton and Miles think they are too smart for the game, and that's what gets us in trouble a lot.

You trade up to get this awesome back and you don't use him in that situation. I just don't get it. I know the O-line wasn't playing well but you have to show the league that you trust your #1 draft pick in that situation. Why have the stable of running backs if you are not going to use them.

It's like we were watching the Seattle game all over again! Harper can't pass cover, no one can tackle, Drew too scared to get rid of the ball, Colston's still playing like he's either scared or hurt. (and he's been doing that since the Super Bowl)

I don't want to hear anyone saying that I'm not a true fan, it's only game 1, and yada yada yada. If we can get on here and show our devotion by talking about all the good potential they have and praise them all the good we see when they win, then we are just as devoted when we point out the negative things that happen. That's what fans do.

So much for the greatly improved defense. I just pray that they get their crap together because if not its going to be a long season.

WHO DAT?!...SPROLES DAT!

saintfan · 09-09-2011, 12:15 PM

Yeah, I was for kicking the 3 at first, but the fact is Sean had no choice. Our defense couldn't stop Ol Miss, much less the Green Bay Packers. He knew that as well as anybody, so he went for it.

I was/am still very upset with the performance of our defense. Sean's play calling was directly affected by it. Sad times indeed.

Beastmode · 09-09-2011, 12:43 PM

The offense was forced into that situation by the defense. How many stops did they generate? I only recall one. The odds are better going for it, maybe 50/50 as opposed to a less than 20% chance of getting a stop.

BringTheWood · 09-09-2011, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by NOS2SB

We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life.

Everyone can defend the "Sean Payton" nature of the call, or use clever analogies to feel better about it, but it's actually very simple. You take the guaranteed 3 and make it a one score go ahead game. There is no doubt in my mind that our D would've had a stronger morale afterwards and we could've taken that game. That play flat out killed us. Take the three, get a stop, score, ballgame. Payton blew it. And if he wanted to go for it, atleast run the damn ball.

xan · 09-09-2011, 12:53 PM

Right call, wrong play. In addition, Brees could see a bad match-up with the D call, why he didn't audible to a better play is befuddling.

MorningWood · 09-09-2011, 01:13 PM

Man, I guess if Ambush had not worked out we would all still be calling for SP's head. BTW, we had a similar situation earlier in the game when Drew went deep to Meech on 3rd and 1. Good thing that worked out or we would be questioning that one as well.

You win some you lose some.

Choupique · 09-09-2011, 02:47 PM

I love the fact that they lined up across from a freakin freight train and tried.

That is why I have so much respect for our team.

Choupique · 09-09-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by MorningWood

Man, I guess if Ambush had not worked out we would all still be calling for SP's head. BTW, we had a similar situation earlier in the game when Drew went deep to Meech on 3rd and 1. Good thing that worked out or we would be questioning that one as well.

You win some you lose some.

Not me. I'd still like Sean if ambush had gone the other way.

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09-09-2011, 10:47 AM	#11
SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	Originally Posted by Budsdrinker All coaches handbooks tell you to take the 3 points on the road. But at that time in the game we were running the ball pretty good and that was just a bad play call. That should have been a QB sneek not a roll out pass. I liked the go for it mentality just not the play that was called. Totally agree. You could argue for the three points but it wasn't the decision for me, I love our coach and would expect nothing less, but it was the play selection. strato likes this.

09-09-2011, 11:41 AM	#12
Kryptonite DAMMIT BOY! Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Crestview, FL via S'port LA Posts: 197	I think going for it was the right call, and I was yelling it the whole time...but a pass? C'mon son! Play calling has always been an issue w/Peyton (IMHO). I've always thought that Peyton and Miles think they are too smart for the game, and that's what gets us in trouble a lot. You trade up to get this awesome back and you don't use him in that situation. I just don't get it. I know the O-line wasn't playing well but you have to show the league that you trust your #1 draft pick in that situation. Why have the stable of running backs if you are not going to use them. It's like we were watching the Seattle game all over again! Harper can't pass cover, no one can tackle, Drew too scared to get rid of the ball, Colston's still playing like he's either scared or hurt. (and he's been doing that since the Super Bowl) I don't want to hear anyone saying that I'm not a true fan, it's only game 1, and yada yada yada. If we can get on here and show our devotion by talking about all the good potential they have and praise them all the good we see when they win, then we are just as devoted when we point out the negative things that happen. That's what fans do. So much for the greatly improved defense. I just pray that they get their crap together because if not its going to be a long season. WHO DAT?!...SPROLES DAT! AlaskaSaints likes this.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	The offense was forced into that situation by the defense. How many stops did they generate? I only recall one. The odds are better going for it, maybe 50/50 as opposed to a less than 20% chance of getting a stop.
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09-09-2011, 12:51 PM	#15
BringTheWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 165	Originally Posted by NOS2SB We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life. Everyone can defend the "Sean Payton" nature of the call, or use clever analogies to feel better about it, but it's actually very simple. You take the guaranteed 3 and make it a one score go ahead game. There is no doubt in my mind that our D would've had a stronger morale afterwards and we could've taken that game. That play flat out killed us. Take the three, get a stop, score, ballgame. Payton blew it. And if he wanted to go for it, atleast run the damn ball.
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09-09-2011, 01:13 PM	#17
MorningWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 180	Man, I guess if Ambush had not worked out we would all still be calling for SP's head. BTW, we had a similar situation earlier in the game when Drew went deep to Meech on 3rd and 1. Good thing that worked out or we would be questioning that one as well. You win some you lose some.
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09-09-2011, 12:15 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Yeah, I was for kicking the 3 at first, but the fact is Sean had no choice. Our defense couldn't stop Ol Miss, much less the Green Bay Packers. He knew that as well as anybody, so he went for it. I was/am still very upset with the performance of our defense. Sean's play calling was directly affected by it. Sad times indeed.

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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Right call, wrong play. In addition, Brees could see a bad match-up with the D call, why he didn't audible to a better play is befuddling.

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Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	I love the fact that they lined up across from a freakin freight train and tried. That is why I have so much respect for our team.
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09-09-2011, 02:48 PM	#19
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	Originally Posted by MorningWood Man, I guess if Ambush had not worked out we would all still be calling for SP's head. BTW, we had a similar situation earlier in the game when Drew went deep to Meech on 3rd and 1. Good thing that worked out or we would be questioning that one as well. You win some you lose some. Not me. I'd still like Sean if ambush had gone the other way.
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