Thoughts on Going for it on 4th down in the 3rd

NOS2SB · 09-09-2011, 09:18 AM

We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life.

bbourque5 · 09-09-2011, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by NOS2SB

We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life.

Sorry buddy but I have to disagree with you somewhat on this one. Of course if we make it he's a hero, but I would still question the call. These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Of course the average fan was probably yelling go for it, but Sean Payton is not a fan, he is a coach (he manages the team) and he has to do on the spot risk analysis. If you're going to go for it, you better have a better play that what we had. I'm not saying better play as in more creative, I mean a better play as in a high probability play. We were already in a bad place; going for it on 4th down when you're only down by 8 at the end of the third quarter is a huge risk, why make the risk even bigger with a bonehead play call.

NOS2SB · 09-10-2011, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by bbourque5

Sorry buddy but I have to disagree with you somewhat on this one. Of course if we make it he's a hero, but I would still question the call. These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Of course the average fan was probably yelling go for it, but Sean Payton is not a fan, he is a coach (he manages the team) and he has to do on the spot risk analysis. If you're going to go for it, you better have a better play that what we had. I'm not saying better play as in more creative, I mean a better play as in a high probability play. We were already in a bad place; going for it on 4th down when you're only down by 8 at the end of the third quarter is a huge risk, why make the risk even bigger with a bonehead play call.

So, if we would have made it would you have started a thread saying it was a questionable call and you question Payton as a play caller? I'm pretty sure no one would be talking about it.

Srgt. Hulka · 09-11-2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by NOS2SB

So, if we would have made it would you have started a thread saying it was a questionable call and you question Payton as a play caller? I'm pretty sure no one would be talking about it.

I may not have started a thread, but as soon as Drew did not hand the ball off, and it was clear that his intentions were to throw it, I started screaming at the TV "What are you doing!!". So yes, I saw immediately that it was the wrong call, and I would have questioned it, even if he had made a touchdown. And since we tried the exact same play on an earlier drive, and lost 20 yards on that one too...

BringTheWood · 09-09-2011, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by NOS2SB

We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life.

Everyone can defend the "Sean Payton" nature of the call, or use clever analogies to feel better about it, but it's actually very simple. You take the guaranteed 3 and make it a one score go ahead game. There is no doubt in my mind that our D would've had a stronger morale afterwards and we could've taken that game. That play flat out killed us. Take the three, get a stop, score, ballgame. Payton blew it. And if he wanted to go for it, atleast run the damn ball.

homerj07 · 09-10-2011, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by NOS2SB

We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life.

Just like always - Hero or Goat

Kryptonite · 09-09-2011, 10:41 AM

I think going for it was the right call, and I was yelling it the whole time...but a pass? C'mon son! Play calling has always been an issue w/Peyton (IMHO). I've always thought that Peyton and Miles think they are too smart for the game, and that's what gets us in trouble a lot.

You trade up to get this awesome back and you don't use him in that situation. I just don't get it. I know the O-line wasn't playing well but you have to show the league that you trust your #1 draft pick in that situation. Why have the stable of running backs if you are not going to use them.

It's like we were watching the Seattle game all over again! Harper can't pass cover, no one can tackle, Drew too scared to get rid of the ball, Colston's still playing like he's either scared or hurt. (and he's been doing that since the Super Bowl)

I don't want to hear anyone saying that I'm not a true fan, it's only game 1, and yada yada yada. If we can get on here and show our devotion by talking about all the good potential they have and praise them all the good we see when they win, then we are just as devoted when we point out the negative things that happen. That's what fans do.

So much for the greatly improved defense. I just pray that they get their crap together because if not its going to be a long season.

WHO DAT?!...SPROLES DAT!

saintfan · 09-09-2011, 11:15 AM

Yeah, I was for kicking the 3 at first, but the fact is Sean had no choice. Our defense couldn't stop Ol Miss, much less the Green Bay Packers. He knew that as well as anybody, so he went for it.

I was/am still very upset with the performance of our defense. Sean's play calling was directly affected by it. Sad times indeed.

Beastmode · 09-09-2011, 11:43 AM

The offense was forced into that situation by the defense. How many stops did they generate? I only recall one. The odds are better going for it, maybe 50/50 as opposed to a less than 20% chance of getting a stop.

xan · 09-09-2011, 11:53 AM

Right call, wrong play. In addition, Brees could see a bad match-up with the D call, why he didn't audible to a better play is befuddling.

09-09-2011, 09:35 AM	#2
bbourque5 Registered Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 49	Originally Posted by NOS2SB We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life. Sorry buddy but I have to disagree with you somewhat on this one. Of course if we make it he's a hero, but I would still question the call. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Of course the average fan was probably yelling go for it, but Sean Payton is not a fan, he is a coach (he manages the team) and he has to do on the spot risk analysis. If you're going to go for it, you better have a better play that what we had. I'm not saying better play as in more creative, I mean a better play as in a high probability play. We were already in a bad place; going for it on 4th down when you're only down by 8 at the end of the third quarter is a huge risk, why make the risk even bigger with a bonehead play call.
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09-10-2011, 02:39 AM	#3
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	Originally Posted by bbourque5 Sorry buddy but I have to disagree with you somewhat on this one. Of course if we make it he's a hero, but I would still question the call. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Of course the average fan was probably yelling go for it, but Sean Payton is not a fan, he is a coach (he manages the team) and he has to do on the spot risk analysis. If you're going to go for it, you better have a better play that what we had. I'm not saying better play as in more creative, I mean a better play as in a high probability play. We were already in a bad place; going for it on 4th down when you're only down by 8 at the end of the third quarter is a huge risk, why make the risk even bigger with a bonehead play call. So, if we would have made it would you have started a thread saying it was a questionable call and you question Payton as a play caller? I'm pretty sure no one would be talking about it.

09-11-2011, 08:27 AM	#4
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Originally Posted by NOS2SB So, if we would have made it would you have started a thread saying it was a questionable call and you question Payton as a play caller? I'm pretty sure no one would be talking about it. I may not have started a thread, but as soon as Drew did not hand the ball off, and it was clear that his intentions were to throw it, I started screaming at the TV "What are you doing!!". So yes, I saw immediately that it was the wrong call, and I would have questioned it, even if he had made a touchdown. And since we tried the exact same play on an earlier drive, and lost 20 yards on that one too...

09-09-2011, 11:51 AM	#5
BringTheWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 165	Originally Posted by NOS2SB We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life. Everyone can defend the "Sean Payton" nature of the call, or use clever analogies to feel better about it, but it's actually very simple. You take the guaranteed 3 and make it a one score go ahead game. There is no doubt in my mind that our D would've had a stronger morale afterwards and we could've taken that game. That play flat out killed us. Take the three, get a stop, score, ballgame. Payton blew it. And if he wanted to go for it, atleast run the damn ball.
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09-10-2011, 10:15 AM	#6
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Originally Posted by NOS2SB We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life. Just like always - Hero or Goat

09-09-2011, 09:18 AM	#1
NOS2SB Shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 454	We make it, he's a hero. We don't, the call is questioned. That's life. strato, homerj07 and MorningWood like this.

09-09-2011, 10:41 AM	#7
Kryptonite DAMMIT BOY! Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Crestview, FL via S'port LA Posts: 197	I think going for it was the right call, and I was yelling it the whole time...but a pass? C'mon son! Play calling has always been an issue w/Peyton (IMHO). I've always thought that Peyton and Miles think they are too smart for the game, and that's what gets us in trouble a lot. You trade up to get this awesome back and you don't use him in that situation. I just don't get it. I know the O-line wasn't playing well but you have to show the league that you trust your #1 draft pick in that situation. Why have the stable of running backs if you are not going to use them. It's like we were watching the Seattle game all over again! Harper can't pass cover, no one can tackle, Drew too scared to get rid of the ball, Colston's still playing like he's either scared or hurt. (and he's been doing that since the Super Bowl) I don't want to hear anyone saying that I'm not a true fan, it's only game 1, and yada yada yada. If we can get on here and show our devotion by talking about all the good potential they have and praise them all the good we see when they win, then we are just as devoted when we point out the negative things that happen. That's what fans do. So much for the greatly improved defense. I just pray that they get their crap together because if not its going to be a long season. WHO DAT?!...SPROLES DAT! AlaskaSaints likes this.

09-09-2011, 11:15 AM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Yeah, I was for kicking the 3 at first, but the fact is Sean had no choice. Our defense couldn't stop Ol Miss, much less the Green Bay Packers. He knew that as well as anybody, so he went for it. I was/am still very upset with the performance of our defense. Sean's play calling was directly affected by it. Sad times indeed.

09-09-2011, 11:43 AM	#9
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	The offense was forced into that situation by the defense. How many stops did they generate? I only recall one. The odds are better going for it, maybe 50/50 as opposed to a less than 20% chance of getting a stop.
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09-09-2011, 11:53 AM	#10
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Right call, wrong play. In addition, Brees could see a bad match-up with the D call, why he didn't audible to a better play is befuddling.