greg williams is a dumb @ss!!

halloween 65 · 01-14-2012, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by KingCutta

Our Defense didnt play good. It seemed good because San Fran's offense is not that good!!! But we showed our ugly true colors on defense in the last minute of the game.....giving up 36 points to San Fran? Not good defense.....almost as bad giving up 41 to Seattle

The way we lost today was worse than Seattle, we had an excuse for that one, we had injuries, in this one we just plain and simple stunk it up.

Boutte · 01-14-2012, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

5 turnovers. That's how.

OK, that's a valid point. But do you put any of the blame on Gregg Williams? Is he the guy you want long term as the DC?

LBCutta · 01-14-2012, 09:33 PM

i mean we have ZERO pass Rush without blitzing. Slow ass linebackers. Vilma is decent at best. And our secondary is god-awful. All have stone hands. Bad Safeties. Only ONE good DB in Greer...and he struggles at times. These deficiencies all point to COACHING.....

saintsfan1976 · 01-14-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

OK, that's a valid point. But do you put any of the blame on Gregg Williams? Is he the guy you want long term as the DC?

Yes. His play call led to Vernon Davis's gain that lead to Alex Smith's TD.

Is he a long term DC? No. But we knew that when he was hired.

TopCow · 01-14-2012, 09:36 PM

A defensive end can't be just a DE. He must be able to double as a DT and move around to confuse the offense. And the defense. And a CB can't be just a CB. He must also be a great pass rusher. And a safety is not just a safety, and on and on. And so we wind up with a lot of guys who are jacks of all trades, masters of none. How about we start generating a pass rush with pass rushers and let to job of pass coverage fall on pass defenders? Which translates to waving good-bye to Greg Williams.

CharityMike · 01-14-2012, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Is he a long term DC? No. But we knew that when he was hired.

Somebody forgot to give me the memo.

|Mitch| · 01-14-2012, 09:48 PM

It's funny how G.W. has had a Top 10 defense everywhere he has coached; except here...

CharityMike · 01-14-2012, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

It's funny how G.W. has had a Top 10 defense everywhere he has coached; except here...

Why is that?

If I remember right, in the beginning of the year he stated we had good enough LB's right here in the building. I think we can all agree that is crap. I think he has gotten old and has become a one trick pony. His pressures rarely result in a sack or a bad throw.

mike27 · 01-14-2012, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

We scored 34 points! The D lost this. How can anyone possibly not see that?

Subtract 17 points from the 36, and you get 19. 32, or more, to 19, Saints' win. How can you not do subtraction?

Seriously folks, in the playoffs for 3 years, won a superbowl in 2009, and even with all the errors on the offense, handing points to the other side, they still were in the game at the end.

You know what? I'm pretty happy with Williams, and Coach Payton, and there are 32 teams, and I'd put them up against anyone. They gave us 14 winning games to watch, and after watching the Saints' for 40 plus years, and seeing them lose, and lose, and lose, I just can't complain a whole lot.

I'd like for them to have won of course. But they didn't. It's a game, somebody lost, somebody won. I'd have actually felt a little bad for SF if they had lost, they were trying so hard, though I didn't like the fact they were playing dirty, referees weren't calling a lot of penalties, and I really thought taunting was illegal, which it seemed SF was doing on every kickoff.

I hope GB destroys them, and I just wish the Saints' had injured more of them, like they were so obviously trying to do to the Saints', with success I might add. Oh, did you see the guy twist Graham's right arm back while he was rolling the other way?

|Mitch| · 01-14-2012, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Why is that?

If I remember right, in the beginning of the year he stated we had good enough LB's right here in the building. I think we can all agree that is crap. I think he has gotten old and has become a one trick pony. His pressures rarely result in a sack or a bad throw.

You don't have to argue; I just mean it's weird how he has coached a Top 10 D everywhere he has been except here...

01-14-2012, 09:29 PM	#81
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by KingCutta Our Defense didnt play good. It seemed good because San Fran's offense is not that good!!! But we showed our ugly true colors on defense in the last minute of the game.....giving up 36 points to San Fran? Not good defense.....almost as bad giving up 41 to Seattle The way we lost today was worse than Seattle, we had an excuse for that one, we had injuries, in this one we just plain and simple stunk it up.

01-14-2012, 09:32 PM	#82
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 5 turnovers. That's how. OK, that's a valid point. But do you put any of the blame on Gregg Williams? Is he the guy you want long term as the DC?

01-14-2012, 09:35 PM	#84
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Boutte OK, that's a valid point. But do you put any of the blame on Gregg Williams? Is he the guy you want long term as the DC? Yes. His play call led to Vernon Davis's gain that lead to Alex Smith's TD. Is he a long term DC? No. But we knew that when he was hired.

01-14-2012, 09:36 PM	#85
TopCow 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 299	Greg Williams. Good God. A defensive end can't be just a DE. He must be able to double as a DT and move around to confuse the offense. And the defense. And a CB can't be just a CB. He must also be a great pass rusher. And a safety is not just a safety, and on and on. And so we wind up with a lot of guys who are jacks of all trades, masters of none. How about we start generating a pass rush with pass rushers and let to job of pass coverage fall on pass defenders? Which translates to waving good-bye to Greg Williams. Rueben Mayes likes this.
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01-14-2012, 09:47 PM	#86
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Is he a long term DC? No. But we knew that when he was hired. Somebody forgot to give me the memo.

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LBCutta 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Killeen, TX....Born in Marrero, LA Posts: 592	i mean we have ZERO pass Rush without blitzing. Slow ass linebackers. Vilma is decent at best. And our secondary is god-awful. All have stone hands. Bad Safeties. Only ONE good DB in Greer...and he struggles at times. These deficiencies all point to COACHING.....

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	It's funny how G.W. has had a Top 10 defense everywhere he has coached; except here...

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CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| It's funny how G.W. has had a Top 10 defense everywhere he has coached; except here... Why is that? If I remember right, in the beginning of the year he stated we had good enough LB's right here in the building. I think we can all agree that is crap. I think he has gotten old and has become a one trick pony. His pressures rarely result in a sack or a bad throw.

01-14-2012, 10:04 PM	#89
mike27 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 104 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by Boutte We scored 34 points! The D lost this. How can anyone possibly not see that? Subtract 17 points from the 36, and you get 19. 32, or more, to 19, Saints' win. How can you not do subtraction? Seriously folks, in the playoffs for 3 years, won a superbowl in 2009, and even with all the errors on the offense, handing points to the other side, they still were in the game at the end. You know what? I'm pretty happy with Williams, and Coach Payton, and there are 32 teams, and I'd put them up against anyone. They gave us 14 winning games to watch, and after watching the Saints' for 40 plus years, and seeing them lose, and lose, and lose, I just can't complain a whole lot. I'd like for them to have won of course. But they didn't. It's a game, somebody lost, somebody won. I'd have actually felt a little bad for SF if they had lost, they were trying so hard, though I didn't like the fact they were playing dirty, referees weren't calling a lot of penalties, and I really thought taunting was illegal, which it seemed SF was doing on every kickoff. I hope GB destroys them, and I just wish the Saints' had injured more of them, like they were so obviously trying to do to the Saints', with success I might add. Oh, did you see the guy twist Graham's right arm back while he was rolling the other way?

01-14-2012, 10:04 PM	#90
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Originally Posted by CharityMike Why is that? If I remember right, in the beginning of the year he stated we had good enough LB's right here in the building. I think we can all agree that is crap. I think he has gotten old and has become a one trick pony. His pressures rarely result in a sack or a bad throw. You don't have to argue; I just mean it's weird how he has coached a Top 10 D everywhere he has been except here... Rueben Mayes likes this.

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