Offense must take a hit for defense to improve

foreverfan · 01-16-2012, 04:05 AM

Does Brees really need to break the bank? What is enough? Other players need to be paid too. If Brees really want to set himself apart, he would take a reasonable salary so the team can sign his teammates because you win as a team.

Crusader · 01-16-2012, 06:03 AM

What I wonder is when is it enough money, I mean what differnce does it make for an individual to get an 80mil contract instead of a 100mil deal. Either way its an obcene ammount of money and I kinda wonder what a guy like Brees wants more 20mil extra or another ring?

W. Kovacs · 01-16-2012, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by KingCutta

Are you guys serious? How many teams would just let they're #1 WR walk? I say Colston stays. As long as we have Colston, Graham and Moore we can afford to let Devery and Meach walk. And sign or draft some cheap WR to replace them and Drew can work with them. I say Brees, Nicks and Colston all stay. Too many big contracts on D for all of them to stay and not producing anything.

^^This^^

I hate to see Meach walk, but out of offensive weapons, he probably is the most replaceable. But I'm torn because Moore seems to be injured a lot.

What about keeping Meach and letting go of Moore? I have no clue what their respective salary situations are.

On defense I think we need a pretty heavy re-vamping.

All this comes down to one thing for me, though: next year is going to be a drop off for us. Too much re-tooling needs to be done to keep up such a high level of play. Which just makes Saturday's loss so much harder to stomach...we were built to win THIS year with those 1-year contracts we gave out...and we blew it. ARGH!!!!

BIGEASY504 · 01-16-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Of those 4, as much as I hate to say it, I would let Colston go; and that depends on how much it would cost to keep him.

I think Greer we have Johnny Patrick who just needs to get on the field along with improved play from Robinson we should be set there Porter will be a nickle back as he hasn't made much noise since his super bowl interception

Danno · 01-16-2012, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by BIGEASY504

I think Greer we have Johnny Patrick who just needs to get on the field along with improved play from Robinson we should be set there Porter will be a nickle back as he hasn't made much noise since his super bowl interception

I was incorrect. As Papz pointed out Greer is not a free-agent this year.

But next year we'll have to pay Graham and Greer. Graham is gonna get paid a ton. It may affect how much we pay Colston this year.

halloween 65 · 01-16-2012, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Shanle is solid..that's the funniest thing I have read in days..lmfao

To the folks that think Colston is not replaceable..remember when he was out a bunch of weeks, I think it was last year, Moore stepped up and did great. Moore is a playmaker.

Tell me another lb. that has produced and plays each game? And don't say Vilma, that would be a joke!! He is on a steady decline, to light to actually play the middle, runs from straight on tackles, he had a few good years and thats it, he only has a little more speed than Shanle and don't have much of that left. Most over rated MLB. in the game today in my opinion.

CharityMike · 01-16-2012, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Tell me another lb. that has produced and plays each game? And don't say Vilma, that would be a joke!! He is on a steady decline, to light to actually play the middle, runs from straight on tackles, he had a few good years and thats it, he only has a little more speed than Shanle and don't have much of that left. Most over rated MLB. in the game today in my opinion.

I don't disagree with you one iota about Vilma. But to say Shanle is solid is laughable. The guy is a turtle and has ZERO awareness. Whatever good years he had in him are waaay gone and have been. Look at the video!!! If you think this is the only time he has done this you are just seriously in denial.

For the people saying get rid of Moore..are you serious??? Moore is the ONLY receiver who we have that can make moves after the catch.

We have Colston who is a possession receiver, Henderson/Meachum speed receivers. Arrington...who the hell knows, hasn't played enough to get a good feel but strikes me as another possession receiver.

No way do we get rid of Moore and to say he always hurt is laughable.
2006 played 4 games(just started with us)
2007 played 16 games
2008 played 16 games
2009 played 7 games (hurt)
2010 played 16 games
2011 played 14 games

Doesn't look like a person who is "always" hurt to me.

Halo · 01-16-2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

No way do we get rid of Moore and to say he always hurt is laughable.
2006 played 4 games(just started with us)
2007 played 16 games
2008 played 16 games
2009 played 7 games (hurt)
2010 played 16 games
2011 played 14 games

Doesn't look like a person who is "always" hurt to me.

Mike, how many games has Colston played and started in?
I don't know where the stats are... just curious.

WhoDat!656 · 01-16-2012, 12:01 PM

I am not trying to knock Colston; I love the guy and he has been a vital clog to the Saints success.

However, he has lost time due to injury the last couple years, and he is starting to, (I hate to say regularly), drop passes in crucial points, that he used to always catch.

When Colston broke his collarbone in Week 1, I believe it was Lance Moore that stepped up and picked up the slack.

Colston has already said that he was going to the highest bidder; i am not sure what the blue book vlaue is on a 6+ year WR with the injury history he has, but I am sure there he will get offers.

Good O-linemen are priceless, and Pro Bowl ones are worth their weight in gold so unless SP has been grooming one, I don't see the Saints letting him walk.

CharityMike · 01-16-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Mike, how many games has Colston played and started in?
I don't know where the stats are... just curious.

I think I know where you are going with this but it really isn't to bad:

2006 played 14 games
2007 played 16 games
2008 played 11 games
2009 played 16 games
2010 played 15 games
2011 played 14 games

01-16-2012, 04:05 AM	#31
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Does Brees really need to break the bank? What is enough? Other players need to be paid too. If Brees really want to set himself apart, he would take a reasonable salary so the team can sign his teammates because you win as a team. Crusader and W. Kovacs like this.

01-16-2012, 08:36 AM	#33
W. Kovacs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 514	Originally Posted by KingCutta Are you guys serious? How many teams would just let they're #1 WR walk? I say Colston stays. As long as we have Colston, Graham and Moore we can afford to let Devery and Meach walk. And sign or draft some cheap WR to replace them and Drew can work with them. I say Brees, Nicks and Colston all stay. Too many big contracts on D for all of them to stay and not producing anything. ^^This^^ I hate to see Meach walk, but out of offensive weapons, he probably is the most replaceable. But I'm torn because Moore seems to be injured a lot. What about keeping Meach and letting go of Moore? I have no clue what their respective salary situations are. On defense I think we need a pretty heavy re-vamping. All this comes down to one thing for me, though: next year is going to be a drop off for us. Too much re-tooling needs to be done to keep up such a high level of play. Which just makes Saturday's loss so much harder to stomach...we were built to win THIS year with those 1-year contracts we gave out...and we blew it. ARGH!!!! Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-16-2012, 08:41 AM	#34
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Of those 4, as much as I hate to say it, I would let Colston go; and that depends on how much it would cost to keep him. I think Greer we have Johnny Patrick who just needs to get on the field along with improved play from Robinson we should be set there Porter will be a nickle back as he hasn't made much noise since his super bowl interception
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01-16-2012, 09:03 AM	#35
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by BIGEASY504 I think Greer we have Johnny Patrick who just needs to get on the field along with improved play from Robinson we should be set there Porter will be a nickle back as he hasn't made much noise since his super bowl interception I was incorrect. As Papz pointed out Greer is not a free-agent this year. But next year we'll have to pay Graham and Greer. Graham is gonna get paid a ton. It may affect how much we pay Colston this year. LBCutta likes this.

01-16-2012, 10:50 AM	#36
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by CharityMike Shanle is solid..that's the funniest thing I have read in days..lmfao To the folks that think Colston is not replaceable..remember when he was out a bunch of weeks, I think it was last year, Moore stepped up and did great. Moore is a playmaker. Tell me another lb. that has produced and plays each game? And don't say Vilma, that would be a joke!! He is on a steady decline, to light to actually play the middle, runs from straight on tackles, he had a few good years and thats it, he only has a little more speed than Shanle and don't have much of that left. Most over rated MLB. in the game today in my opinion.

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01-16-2012, 06:03 AM	#32
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	What I wonder is when is it enough money, I mean what differnce does it make for an individual to get an 80mil contract instead of a 100mil deal. Either way its an obcene ammount of money and I kinda wonder what a guy like Brees wants more 20mil extra or another ring?

01-16-2012, 11:22 AM	#37
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by halloween 65 Tell me another lb. that has produced and plays each game? And don't say Vilma, that would be a joke!! He is on a steady decline, to light to actually play the middle, runs from straight on tackles, he had a few good years and thats it, he only has a little more speed than Shanle and don't have much of that left. Most over rated MLB. in the game today in my opinion. I don't disagree with you one iota about Vilma. But to say Shanle is solid is laughable. The guy is a turtle and has ZERO awareness. Whatever good years he had in him are waaay gone and have been. Look at the video!!! If you think this is the only time he has done this you are just seriously in denial. For the people saying get rid of Moore..are you serious??? Moore is the ONLY receiver who we have that can make moves after the catch. We have Colston who is a possession receiver, Henderson/Meachum speed receivers. Arrington...who the hell knows, hasn't played enough to get a good feel but strikes me as another possession receiver. No way do we get rid of Moore and to say he always hurt is laughable. 2006 played 4 games(just started with us) 2007 played 16 games 2008 played 16 games 2009 played 7 games (hurt) 2010 played 16 games 2011 played 14 games Doesn't look like a person who is "always" hurt to me. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-16-2012, 11:55 AM	#38
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,718 Blog Entries: 45	Originally Posted by CharityMike No way do we get rid of Moore and to say he always hurt is laughable. 2006 played 4 games(just started with us) 2007 played 16 games 2008 played 16 games 2009 played 7 games (hurt) 2010 played 16 games 2011 played 14 games Doesn't look like a person who is "always" hurt to me. Mike, how many games has Colston played and started in? I don't know where the stats are... just curious.

01-16-2012, 12:01 PM	#39
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01-16-2012, 12:01 PM	#40
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by Halo Mike, how many games has Colston played and started in? I don't know where the stats are... just curious. I think I know where you are going with this but it really isn't to bad: 2006 played 14 games 2007 played 16 games 2008 played 11 games 2009 played 16 games 2010 played 15 games 2011 played 14 games

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