Saints to draft a WLB?

Danno · 04-05-2004, 03:46 PM

2003-Sullivan, Stinchcomb, Cie Grant, and Holland were all very good playmakers at their positions. Grant was a playmaker at several different positions.
2002-Charles Grant, Bentley, Craver, and Mitchell were all great playmakers in college. Stallworth and Allen were the only two IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢d consider as potential over production. And Allen was quite dominant in College
2001- Only year IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢d agree with you. Deuce and Norris were playmakers at their positions but K.Smith and Hodge were probably more potential over production.

I think we get a bad rap about drafting potential over production, strickly because of Stallworth.

Danno · 04-05-2004, 04:38 PM

The thing with Stallworth is that nowadays people not only draft on potential, but they figure what kind of an upside a player had. Coming out Stallworth had all the tools the Saints were looking for in a guy. We had just sighned an oft-injured Pathon in FA and we had Horn which everyone knows what he has been doing. So looking back, we didn\'t have much at wideout when the draft approached. I remember sources saying that Haslett was jumping up and down almost after Stallworth ran. He was good sized, fast as hell, caught ball well with his hands and some said one of the best blocking wideouts in college football that year. If Stallworth wouldn\'t have gotten hurt his rookie year, he would have put up big numbers. He did have quite a few TD\'s and had some game winners as I recall. People were glad to see that we drafted a guy like Stallworth when he was doing great. When the injury bug hit, people jumped off the bandwagon quick and I am still on it. I know he did had an off year last year, but we all seen what he is capable of. He even went to a stretching coach last off-season to try to help his hammies out. Even though it didn\'t help much, it showed he made an effort to better hisself and I bet he is doing the same this offseason, trying to better himself. That\'s what I like about the guy. It\'s just an OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree completely. There were many WR\'s who struggled their first 2 or 3 years in the league then blossomed into stars. I believe Stallworth will be one of them. I keep harping on Isaac Bruce. He had almost the exact Hammy problems Donte has now. He finally got them behind him and became one of the best WR\'s in the league for several years. Well Stallworth is bigger and faster. His contract is very cap friendly and was signed for 6 years.
HE WILL BE A STAR (barring serious injury).
I just hope he\'s still with us when he explodes.

WhoDat · 04-06-2004, 09:23 AM

Oh this is fun!

I\'m calling a lot of people here stupid...

Most people around here are pretty stupid and just base their opinions on what the media has gave them.

I assume you meant ... \"base their opinions on what the media has GIVEN them.\"

I usually always have something to backup my statements, unless it\'s something that I have said over and over.

Well which is it? Usually or always? And if you\'ve said something over and over does that mean that you no longer have anything to backup your statements? Oh, you just aren\'t explicit any longer b/c if we haven\'t gotten it yet we never will. After all some of us are usually always stupid.

I\'m calling a lot of people here stupid, but not everyone. There are a few who seem to get it and the rest just follow the crowd because they don\'t know anything about anything. They know what ESPN feeds them and what they may of picked up from a forum and that is the extent of it.

Let\'s see, so we\'re not supposed to believe the professional broadcasters, the scouts, or the front offices? Hey man, I\'m all for making your own decisions regardless of what \'the experts\' say, especially when a person usually always makes posts as good as yours. What are your credentials by the way?

Honestly, I\'m pretty disappointed that I missed this one in the heat of the battle, but Danno was here to take care of business.

Listen Skippy, We\'ve all read your posts and quite frankly it appears from both your grammar skills and footbal acumen that you\'re probably a junior high scrub or varsity cheerleader. Many of the folks here I disagree with regularly have displayed more insight and football knowlege than your best post to date.

I hope some of our underAge members take notice...

Seriously Tweek, I don\'t know if my monitor will ever be the same again. I spit coke all over it. Listen Skippy... LMAO... I\'m still laughing about that one. Well done sir.

[Edited on 6/4/2004 by WhoDat]

rAge · 04-06-2004, 03:10 PM

BTW rAge, this is the 2nd time i have had to warn you about personal attacks, there wont be another[/b:bc1367b174]

Did I miss something? When was the first warning?

And where were the personal attacks (by me) in this thread? By calling someone \'stupid\' or an \'idiot\'? Come on, what am I supposed to say...something childish like \'listen skippy\'? If I called you a ****ing *******, it would be an attack, but calling someone an idiot is just part of the argument. Nothing personal about it. Unless, of course, this really is a place were thin-skinned children & soccer moms hang out. But what do I know...

BTW - if anyone should take offense to what I said, it would be Teddy Lehman. I talked trash about him, then some fool came in and started to get smart with me. I didn\'t even start this friggin argument, I just replied to it. Glad to see there is major bias around here...

Danno · 04-06-2004, 03:25 PM

And where were the personal attacks (by me) in this thread? By calling someone \'stupid\' or an \'idiot\'?

Uhhh... yeah.

[Edited on 6/4/2004 by Danno]

DatFu · 04-06-2004, 04:10 PM

WhoDat · 04-07-2004, 11:30 AM

Hey Billy - shouldn\'t it be \'this thread has derailed\'? Why use the word \'been\'? LOL.

C\'mon Billy, I expect more out of you. You\'re usually always better than that.

PS - rAge is an idiot (hey Pak, that\'s not a personal attack right? LMAO - that was a joke by the way - don\'t come yelling at me about it!)

steub12 · 04-07-2004, 02:26 PM

\"Lehman was an OLB this past season, only because Lance Mitchell went down with a torn ACL. Lehman was supposed to play MLB, until this happened, and he was moved to the outside. I like Lehman for the same reasons you like Jake Grove.
I can\'t believe you compared Lehman to Calmus, Lehman is faster and smarter, and has a better motor and is more aggressive. Calmus was nothing more than a situational linebacker and special teams player. Did you compare the two because they are white linebackers that played for the same college, and roughly have the same build?\"
BlackandGold

Not to be mean or disrespectful, but Lehman was originally the OLB and moved to the middle when Mitchell went down with the injury. He is probably better suited to play on the outside, either Weak or Strong side.
Just don\'t want you to go around being misinformed. Sorry for the inconvienence.

[Edited on 4/7/2004 by steub12]

Boogro · 04-07-2004, 06:32 PM

Let\'s see, so we\'re not supposed to believe the professional broadcasters, the scouts, or the front offices? Hey man, I\'m all for making your own decisions regardless of what \'the experts\' say, especially when a person usually always makes posts as good as yours. What are your credentials by the way?

Honestly, I\'m pretty disappointed that I missed this one in the heat of the battle, but Danno was here to take care of business.

I get no respect lol just kidding, Danno could have all the credit...I don\'t mind lol

BlackandBlue · 04-07-2004, 07:29 PM

Not to be mean or disrespectful, but Lehman was originally the OLB and moved to the middle when Mitchell went down with the injury.

You\'re not being mean or disrespectful, but you are correct- he took over at MLB when Mitchell went down, but he had been playing WLB. I transpose words all the time, but it is starting to float into my writing as well. He did start his college career at MLB, though. He can play both, and I\'ve heard Mitchell himself highly praise Lehman as a football player.

[Edited on 8/4/2004 by BlackandBlue]

04-05-2004, 03:46 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,749	Saints to draft a WLB? 2003-Sullivan, Stinchcomb, Cie Grant, and Holland were all very good playmakers at their positions. Grant was a playmaker at several different positions. 2002-Charles Grant, Bentley, Craver, and Mitchell were all great playmakers in college. Stallworth and Allen were the only two IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢d consider as potential over production. And Allen was quite dominant in College 2001- Only year IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢d agree with you. Deuce and Norris were playmakers at their positions but K.Smith and Hodge were probably more potential over production. I think we get a bad rap about drafting potential over production, strickly because of Stallworth.

04-05-2004, 04:38 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,749	Saints to draft a WLB? The thing with Stallworth is that nowadays people not only draft on potential, but they figure what kind of an upside a player had. Coming out Stallworth had all the tools the Saints were looking for in a guy. We had just sighned an oft-injured Pathon in FA and we had Horn which everyone knows what he has been doing. So looking back, we didn\'t have much at wideout when the draft approached. I remember sources saying that Haslett was jumping up and down almost after Stallworth ran. He was good sized, fast as hell, caught ball well with his hands and some said one of the best blocking wideouts in college football that year. If Stallworth wouldn\'t have gotten hurt his rookie year, he would have put up big numbers. He did have quite a few TD\'s and had some game winners as I recall. People were glad to see that we drafted a guy like Stallworth when he was doing great. When the injury bug hit, people jumped off the bandwagon quick and I am still on it. I know he did had an off year last year, but we all seen what he is capable of. He even went to a stretching coach last off-season to try to help his hammies out. Even though it didn\'t help much, it showed he made an effort to better hisself and I bet he is doing the same this offseason, trying to better himself. That\'s what I like about the guy. It\'s just an OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree completely. There were many WR\'s who struggled their first 2 or 3 years in the league then blossomed into stars. I believe Stallworth will be one of them. I keep harping on Isaac Bruce. He had almost the exact Hammy problems Donte has now. He finally got them behind him and became one of the best WR\'s in the league for several years. Well Stallworth is bigger and faster. His contract is very cap friendly and was signed for 6 years. HE WILL BE A STAR (barring serious injury). I just hope he\'s still with us when he explodes.

04-06-2004, 09:23 AM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints to draft a WLB? Oh this is fun! I\'m calling a lot of people here stupid... Most people around here are pretty stupid and just base their opinions on what the media has gave them. I assume you meant ... \"base their opinions on what the media has GIVEN them.\" I usually always have something to backup my statements, unless it\'s something that I have said over and over. Well which is it? Usually or always? And if you\'ve said something over and over does that mean that you no longer have anything to backup your statements? Oh, you just aren\'t explicit any longer b/c if we haven\'t gotten it yet we never will. After all some of us are usually always stupid. I\'m calling a lot of people here stupid, but not everyone. There are a few who seem to get it and the rest just follow the crowd because they don\'t know anything about anything. They know what ESPN feeds them and what they may of picked up from a forum and that is the extent of it. Let\'s see, so we\'re not supposed to believe the professional broadcasters, the scouts, or the front offices? Hey man, I\'m all for making your own decisions regardless of what \'the experts\' say, especially when a person usually always makes posts as good as yours. What are your credentials by the way? Honestly, I\'m pretty disappointed that I missed this one in the heat of the battle, but Danno was here to take care of business. Listen Skippy, We\'ve all read your posts and quite frankly it appears from both your grammar skills and footbal acumen that you\'re probably a junior high scrub or varsity cheerleader. Many of the folks here I disagree with regularly have displayed more insight and football knowlege than your best post to date. I hope some of our underAge members take notice... Seriously Tweek, I don\'t know if my monitor will ever be the same again. I spit coke all over it. Listen Skippy... LMAO... I\'m still laughing about that one. Well done sir. [Edited on 6/4/2004 by WhoDat]
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04-06-2004, 03:10 PM	#4
rAge 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 320	Saints to draft a WLB? BTW rAge, this is the 2nd time i have had to warn you about personal attacks, there wont be another[/b:bc1367b174] Did I miss something? When was the first warning? And where were the personal attacks (by me) in this thread? By calling someone \'stupid\' or an \'idiot\'? Come on, what am I supposed to say...something childish like \'listen skippy\'? If I called you a **ing *****, it would be an attack, but calling someone an idiot is just part of the argument. Nothing personal about it. Unless, of course, this really is a place were thin-skinned children & soccer moms hang out. But what do I know... BTW - if anyone should take offense to what I said, it would be Teddy Lehman. I talked trash about him, then some fool came in and started to get smart with me. I didn\'t even start this friggin argument, I just replied to it. Glad to see there is major bias around here...
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04-06-2004, 03:25 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,749	Saints to draft a WLB? And where were the personal attacks (by me) in this thread? By calling someone \'stupid\' or an \'idiot\'? Uhhh... yeah. [Edited on 6/4/2004 by Danno]

04-06-2004, 04:10 PM	#6
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04-07-2004, 11:30 AM	#7
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints to draft a WLB? Hey Billy - shouldn\'t it be \'this thread has derailed\'? Why use the word \'been\'? LOL. C\'mon Billy, I expect more out of you. You\'re usually always better than that. PS - rAge is an idiot (hey Pak, that\'s not a personal attack right? LMAO - that was a joke by the way - don\'t come yelling at me about it!)
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04-07-2004, 02:26 PM	#8
steub12 Rookie Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 21	Saints to draft a WLB? \"Lehman was an OLB this past season, only because Lance Mitchell went down with a torn ACL. Lehman was supposed to play MLB, until this happened, and he was moved to the outside. I like Lehman for the same reasons you like Jake Grove. I can\'t believe you compared Lehman to Calmus, Lehman is faster and smarter, and has a better motor and is more aggressive. Calmus was nothing more than a situational linebacker and special teams player. Did you compare the two because they are white linebackers that played for the same college, and roughly have the same build?\" BlackandGold Not to be mean or disrespectful, but Lehman was originally the OLB and moved to the middle when Mitchell went down with the injury. He is probably better suited to play on the outside, either Weak or Strong side. Just don\'t want you to go around being misinformed. Sorry for the inconvienence. [Edited on 4/7/2004 by steub12]
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04-07-2004, 06:32 PM	#9
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Saints to draft a WLB? Let\'s see, so we\'re not supposed to believe the professional broadcasters, the scouts, or the front offices? Hey man, I\'m all for making your own decisions regardless of what \'the experts\' say, especially when a person usually always makes posts as good as yours. What are your credentials by the way? Honestly, I\'m pretty disappointed that I missed this one in the heat of the battle, but Danno was here to take care of business. I get no respect lol just kidding, Danno could have all the credit...I don\'t mind lol

04-07-2004, 07:29 PM	#10
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Saints to draft a WLB? Not to be mean or disrespectful, but Lehman was originally the OLB and moved to the middle when Mitchell went down with the injury. You\'re not being mean or disrespectful, but you are correct- he took over at MLB when Mitchell went down, but he had been playing WLB. I transpose words all the time, but it is starting to float into my writing as well. He did start his college career at MLB, though. He can play both, and I\'ve heard Mitchell himself highly praise Lehman as a football player. [Edited on 8/4/2004 by BlackandBlue]

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