rAge

Why should I explain it? Most people around here just base their opinions on what the media has gave them. So their not going to listen to what I say anyway.

You probably think Lehman is going to be good because he won a bunch of awards, but the fact is - he is just a product of the system. Remember Rocky Calmus? He had a very solid college career at OU as well, and won a lot of the same awards. He went in the 3rd round and hasn\'t done anything for the Titans. I expect the same from Lehman. A good backup, but never will be a solid full-time starter.

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DatFu

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Boogro

Why should you explain it? Because you never say anything to back up your statements and ridiculous comments. I guess you calling me and just about everyone else in here stupid cause you are right, we don\'t believe what you say. You come in here like you are a linebacker scout for an NFL team and you THINK you know it all. It\'s fine to have your own opinion, but you don\'t have to cut someone down whenever they give theirs. How do you know Lehman is just a product of a system? Vilma might be a product of a system also. No one knows for sure who will turn out to be good or a bust in the NFL. Last year, Calmus had 47 tackles, a sack and 2 ints in 10 games. That\'s not that bad considering he\'s been in the NFL 2 years. How many of our linebackers had 2 picks? 0 If all you can give is one player as an example that someone is going to be a bust, then why should anyone listen to you? You can go around and look into every college team and system and point out busts and stars to come out of a certain program all day long. You have it drilled in your head that you know everything about the draft and you get POed when someone disagrees or says something that you disagree with. If anyone is stupid, then it would be you. You don\'t respect anyone\'s opinions or anyone in this forum for that matter.

turbo_dog

Yeah, what he said.

[Edited on 4/4/2004 by turbo_dog]

saintfan

Easy. A difference of opinion does not make one stupid, especially where the NFL draft is concerned. Perhaps a better choice of words next time rAge? Besides, all the name calling around here is reserved for Whodat and me!

rAge

I usually always have something to backup my statements, unless it\'s something that I have said over and over. After you have said something a numbers of times, there is no longer a reason to explain it because if everyone didn\'t get it the first time - then they aren\'t ever going to get it.

I\'m calling a lot of people here stupid, but not everyone. There are a few who seem to get it and the rest just follow the crowd because they don\'t know anything about anything. They know what ESPN feeds them and what they may of picked up from a forum and that is the extent of it.

I don\'t believe I am cutting most people down when they give their opinion, I just give my own and don\'t worry about if it pisses anyone off. If you don\'t like what I say - fine. But I\'m not going to sugar coat it just so it doesn\'t piss off some thin-skinned poster.

I don\'t think I know it all, but I do know a lot more than most people on this forum. NFL Scout\'s aren\'t always that bright anyway. If they all really knew what they were doing, you wouldn\'t see so many first round busts. There are probably a dozen good front office\'s and the rest are just full of idiots who base too much on workouts and \'stock\'.

How do I know Lehman won\'t be good? To put it simple - how many Oklahoma players have great college careers and then have great pro careers? Not too many. Sure some could break the mold, but for the most part - they are college players that can\'t make it as full-time starters in the pros. Also, when a college player wins a lot of awards and isn\'t projected to go in the first round...he is not likely to turn out to be a good pro. Usuaully these guys will go on the first day because it\'s hard to justify not taking a chance on a guy who had such a good college career - regardless of how much pro potential they may or may not have. Remember Ryan Long last year? Projected first round pick, Outland Trophy winner, ended up falling to the 4th and the Titans don\'t even think he could start on their depleted d-line.
To end my point on Lehman, his stock fell a ton at the combine and he wasn\'t that big of a prospect to begin with. He would of been lucky to be a 2nd rounder, now he may be a late 3rd rounder.

You asked how I knew Vilma wouldn\'t be a bust - I don\'t know that. But I also know the likelyhood of him being a bust is very small. A guy with his speed, intelligence and sound tackling is about as much of a sure-thing as you can get with a LB. I\'ve said it too many times already - this guy is just like Ray Lewis when he was coming out of Miami.

As for Calmus...47 tackles in 10 games is not good. Sure, he had 2 INT\'s...but it\'s not a LB\'s job to get INT\'s. I would much rather have a guy who is tough against the run than a guy who gets a pair of INT\'s. INT\'s are a luxury with LB\'s, not a necessity.

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Boogro

The thing with Stallworth is that nowadays people not only draft on potential, but they figure what kind of an upside a player had. Coming out Stallworth had all the tools the Saints were looking for in a guy. We had just sighned an oft-injured Pathon in FA and we had Horn which everyone knows what he has been doing. So looking back, we didn\'t have much at wideout when the draft approached. I remember sources saying that Haslett was jumping up and down almost after Stallworth ran. He was good sized, fast as hell, caught ball well with his hands and some said one of the best blocking wideouts in college football that year. If Stallworth wouldn\'t have gotten hurt his rookie year, he would have put up big numbers. He did have quite a few TD\'s and had some game winners as I recall. People were glad to see that we drafted a guy like Stallworth when he was doing great. When the injury bug hit, people jumped off the bandwagon quick and I am still on it. I know he did had an off year last year, but we all seen what he is capable of. He even went to a stretching coach last off-season to try to help his hammies out. Even though it didn\'t help much, it showed he made an effort to better hisself and I bet he is doing the same this offseason, trying to better himself. That\'s what I like about the guy. It\'s just an OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iceshack149

Rage, you\'re a jackass. Regardless of what you may or may not know about football. You\'ve got as much class as an unflushed toilet.
Starting fights with just about every poster, pissing off a moderator for no apparent reason and now you\'re saying and continue on with .

This was an interesting board until you mooned us with your savvy behavior.

This guy needs to be banned.

Danno

Do we have a rookie moron, or George in drag?
Listen Skippy, We\'ve all read your posts and quite frankly it appears from both your grammar skills and footbal acumen that you\'re probably a junior high scrub or varsity cheerleader. Many of the folks here I disagree with regularly have displayed more insight and football knowlege than your best post to date.
So take your girly game on back to NOLA.com or NOS.com and play with the rest of your middle school hacks because it takes a lot more than what you\'ve displayed to hang with the guys in this group.
Beter yet, get your mommy or daddy to help you write a little letter of apology and post it Monday morning. We\'re a forgiving group here, mostly mature and levelheaded, and we\'ll probably let you stay.
If you can\'t handle that then head on back to NOLA.com with your gramar school roller skate buddies and try to convince yourself your a big boy by using more baseless insults and factless opinions.
Ignorance is curable, stupidity is terminal.

[Edited on 5/4/2004 by Danno]

DatFu

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