Ok, just for the sake of argument

voodooido · 03-02-2012, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by NOS2SB

If we screw this deal up with Drew we can kiss goodbye our winning years and prepare for the bags again.

Depending on how this is handled and who we lose this season may be 8-8

Mardigras9 · 03-02-2012, 09:52 AM

Drew is the catalyst on a well run Offense. It has taken several years to get it to where it is now. If Drew was out the offense would stall. Chase is not the fix, we would have to look elsewhere. 6-10 maybe without Drew.

voodooido · 03-02-2012, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

Let's say that the Saints tag Drew Brees and Brees refuses to play and sits out the whole year, or the Saints let him walk. No Drew Brees for 2012.

How confident are any of you, in Chase Daniel being able to run this team as well or better than Drew?

What contingencies would the Saints have, of getting another starting caliber QB that could lead this team to a championship this year.

And finally, who could the Saints get in the draft or in a trade to replace Drew and what team would we possibly trade with?

Let the discussion begin......

Lets say Drew wants 25 mil.......I would trade him to the Browns for this years 2 rd 1 picks, Sign Flynn, resign Colston and Nicks and use the draft picks and the left over cap money to secure the defense. I love Drew in a Saints uniform but this is getting sad........

Tobias-Reiper · 03-02-2012, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Marlboro Man

How confident are any of you, in Chase Daniel being able to run this team as well or better than Drew?

Not a good moot point, or badly phrased. As good or better than Brees? Merely as good as Brees is the best offense the past 6 years, probably the best 6 year span by an offense in the history of the NFL, so the odds of that happening are not good with Daniel, or any other QB they can bring in.

What contingencies would the Saints have, of getting another starting caliber QB that could lead this team to a championship this year.

Again, badly stated moot point.
They are only 4 established "contingencies" in the NFL to even get a QB (let alone a staring caliber QB) and everyone knows them:
* go with the backup
* sign a free agent
* trade
* draft
So there is no discussion over that.

I'll say this, though:
I have confidence in Sean Payton and in that he's kept Daniel around for a reason. He may not be as good as Brees, but who is?

As for bringing in someone else, the obvious name here is Peyton Manning if he gets released (which looks like he will). By the same token, if Drew sits, the best fit for Manning would be the Saints if he truly wants the chance to win another ring: He'll have protection in New Orleans, a receiving group that runs strict routes and are used to timing patterns, and an offense that's's used to play changes at the LOS.

And no, he ain't getting 28 million this year from anyone, or anyone who can win anything any time soon with his style of QB.

FinSaint · 03-02-2012, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I'll say this, though:
I have confidence in Sean Payton and in that he's kept Daniel around for a reason. He may not be as good as Brees, but who is?

Well, I go back to what Brees himself said in an interview during last pre-season - he said Daniel was a chunkier version of him. So, put Daniel on a SlimFast regiment and voilà! The Saints have another pro-bowl QB.

Budsdrinker · 03-02-2012, 12:19 PM

I think Chase would be OK. He would bring some scrambling to the offense. He does take off and run more than Drew does. Let's hope we don't have to find out though.

subguy · 03-02-2012, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Lets say Drew wants 25 mil.......I would trade him to the Browns for this years 2 rd 1 picks, Sign Flynn, resign Colston and Nicks and use the draft picks and the left over cap money to secure the defense. I love Drew in a Saints uniform but this is getting sad........

Not a bad thought process....I am still kinda processing it

Rugby Saint II · 03-02-2012, 02:54 PM

Payton never shows his hand no matter what the deal. Last year when we sat Drew all we saw was Daniels handing off the ball. If I see him pass a whole lot more in preseason we might be getting him the needed exposure so we can trade him.

AlaskaSaints · 03-02-2012, 03:13 PM

Does Chase Daniel want to WATCH football and get a ring, or does he want to play football in the shoes of Drew Brees?

Chase Daniel is like a tourniquet. You feel good about having it in your first aid kit, but if you ever have to use it things have gone terribly wrong.

Alaska

Marlboro Man · 03-03-2012, 08:16 PM

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Looking at how things are going, we've tagged Brees, he's not going to be happy about that. I wonder if this Bounty thing has Brees wanting out of NO. After all his whole persona is CLASS, INTEGRITY, and ACCOUNTABILITY. Drew may want to get away from NO feeling like he was betrayed by SP and Loomis. He's also said he wouldn't play for the Franchise Tag.

I definitely wouldn't mind the Saints going after Flynn. He performed better than any other backup QB in the league when he got his chance and if SP stays/isn't fired, he could do well in our offensive scheme. I'm not too sure about the old timers though. Jason Campbell, I've never been impressed by, Matt Lineart's career has gone in the tank a la Ryan Leaf and no other QB's are coming to mind that could start for us and do a good enough job to get us to a championship except maybe Payton Manning and I know a lot of people would not like having him and he probably wouldn't want to come here anyway. I'm just trying to see what our options could be. What about draft picks?

03-02-2012, 08:53 AM	#11
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Originally Posted by NOS2SB If we screw this deal up with Drew we can kiss goodbye our winning years and prepare for the bags again. Depending on how this is handled and who we lose this season may be 8-8
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03-02-2012, 10:36 AM	#13
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man Let's say that the Saints tag Drew Brees and Brees refuses to play and sits out the whole year, or the Saints let him walk. No Drew Brees for 2012. How confident are any of you, in Chase Daniel being able to run this team as well or better than Drew? What contingencies would the Saints have, of getting another starting caliber QB that could lead this team to a championship this year. And finally, who could the Saints get in the draft or in a trade to replace Drew and what team would we possibly trade with? Let the discussion begin...... Lets say Drew wants 25 mil.......I would trade him to the Browns for this years 2 rd 1 picks, Sign Flynn, resign Colston and Nicks and use the draft picks and the left over cap money to secure the defense. I love Drew in a Saints uniform but this is getting sad........ saintfan likes this.
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03-02-2012, 11:49 AM	#14
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by Marlboro Man How confident are any of you, in Chase Daniel being able to run this team as well or better than Drew? Not a good moot point, or badly phrased. As good or better than Brees? Merely as good as Brees is the best offense the past 6 years, probably the best 6 year span by an offense in the history of the NFL, so the odds of that happening are not good with Daniel, or any other QB they can bring in. What contingencies would the Saints have, of getting another starting caliber QB that could lead this team to a championship this year. Again, badly stated moot point. They are only 4 established "contingencies" in the NFL to even get a QB (let alone a staring caliber QB) and everyone knows them: * go with the backup * sign a free agent * trade * draft So there is no discussion over that. I'll say this, though: I have confidence in Sean Payton and in that he's kept Daniel around for a reason. He may not be as good as Brees, but who is? As for bringing in someone else, the obvious name here is Peyton Manning if he gets released (which looks like he will). By the same token, if Drew sits, the best fit for Manning would be the Saints if he truly wants the chance to win another ring: He'll have protection in New Orleans, a receiving group that runs strict routes and are used to timing patterns, and an offense that's's used to play changes at the LOS. And no, he ain't getting 28 million this year from anyone, or anyone who can win anything any time soon with his style of QB.
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03-02-2012, 12:07 PM	#15
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I'll say this, though: I have confidence in Sean Payton and in that he's kept Daniel around for a reason. He may not be as good as Brees, but who is? Well, I go back to what Brees himself said in an interview during last pre-season - he said Daniel was a chunkier version of him. So, put Daniel on a SlimFast regiment and voilà! The Saints have another pro-bowl QB.

03-02-2012, 12:46 PM	#17
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,096	Originally Posted by voodooido Lets say Drew wants 25 mil.......I would trade him to the Browns for this years 2 rd 1 picks, Sign Flynn, resign Colston and Nicks and use the draft picks and the left over cap money to secure the defense. I love Drew in a Saints uniform but this is getting sad........ Not a bad thought process....I am still kinda processing it

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03-02-2012, 09:52 AM	#12
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Drew is the catalyst on a well run Offense. It has taken several years to get it to where it is now. If Drew was out the offense would stall. Chase is not the fix, we would have to look elsewhere. 6-10 maybe without Drew.

03-02-2012, 12:19 PM	#16
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	I think Chase would be OK. He would bring some scrambling to the offense. He does take off and run more than Drew does. Let's hope we don't have to find out though.

03-02-2012, 02:54 PM	#18
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Payton never shows his hand no matter what the deal. Last year when we sat Drew all we saw was Daniels handing off the ball. If I see him pass a whole lot more in preseason we might be getting him the needed exposure so we can trade him.

03-02-2012, 03:13 PM	#19
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Does Chase Daniel want to WATCH football and get a ring, or does he want to play football in the shoes of Drew Brees? Chase Daniel is like a tourniquet. You feel good about having it in your first aid kit, but if you ever have to use it things have gone terribly wrong. Alaska FinSaint likes this.

03-03-2012, 08:16 PM	#20
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Looking at how things are going, we've tagged Brees, he's not going to be happy about that. I wonder if this Bounty thing has Brees wanting out of NO. After all his whole persona is CLASS, INTEGRITY, and ACCOUNTABILITY. Drew may want to get away from NO feeling like he was betrayed by SP and Loomis. He's also said he wouldn't play for the Franchise Tag. I definitely wouldn't mind the Saints going after Flynn. He performed better than any other backup QB in the league when he got his chance and if SP stays/isn't fired, he could do well in our offensive scheme. I'm not too sure about the old timers though. Jason Campbell, I've never been impressed by, Matt Lineart's career has gone in the tank a la Ryan Leaf and no other QB's are coming to mind that could start for us and do a good enough job to get us to a championship except maybe Payton Manning and I know a lot of people would not like having him and he probably wouldn't want to come here anyway. I'm just trying to see what our options could be. What about draft picks?

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