Brees livid about being tagged...

voodooido · 03-06-2012, 02:32 PM

RJ3 will be another vick. Be solid but never have the talent to lift his team to a Championship. Perfect for the Browns who just want wins!

Jamessr · 03-06-2012, 04:53 PM

I heard we're making a trade for Matt Ryan.

*ducks*

xan · 03-06-2012, 05:11 PM

I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line??

Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant?

In the context of the salary cap -
In the context of the past successes -
In the context of individual contribution -
In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries -
In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks -

Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team.

Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body.

He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call.

saintfan · 03-06-2012, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by xan

I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line??

Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant?

In the context of the salary cap -
In the context of the past successes -
In the context of individual contribution -
In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries -
In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks -

Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team.

Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body.

He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call.

Yeah you rite. And I respect his decision. I am a Drew Brees fan. He wanted what amounts to (I think) 15 million more up front dollars over the first three years. That's not chump change, even for Drew. I get it. But it also means (I think) that he wasn't willing to meet the team halfway, and that's what is most depressing to me, because up until Monday I thought he truly was that kind of guy. Rare to be sure.

The Saints offer was fair. Brady money for any player is plenty fair. Think about it Drew. Do the right thing here man.

OldMaid · 03-06-2012, 08:20 PM

xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed.
Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM?
It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve.
PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now.

alexonfyre · 03-06-2012, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by OldMaid

xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed.
Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM?
It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve.
PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now.

In the NFL you get paid for past services. That's why Jimmy Graham makes 600k right now, and in two years he will make 7+ million, even if he sucks. It's also why players don't do a whole lot of performance based contracts.

OldMaid · 03-06-2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido
"oh yeh, all we need is another Aarron Brooks."

------------------------------
You forgot.
Or Bobby Hebert. Or John Forucade. How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd. I forgot who was 2nd qb under Richard Todd. Maybe it was still Dave Wilson of California. I still remember the pictures at the press conference of Richard Todd and his wife. RTodd was like, just there. Here was just a place to just kill some time and get a few good pays for investments seemed to be his facial expression.
Kenny "Snake" Stabler WAS very good, but we got him at the very end of his career. The backup qb was Dave Wilson. Kenny or Dave? Dave or Kenny?
Take Kenny.

I always hear people here knock Aaron Brooks. Yes, he was a mediocre qb just like all of the rest we had before him. No one mentions the others we had. Brees is the only winning qb and most talented qb we have ever had. Yes, Brees had all the other elements with him in fellow palyers, caoching staff, but judging him alone, Brees is a very talented, smart qb.
Oh and Archie Manning was ok. Just ok. Yes, as my Dearly Deceased Dad used to say, "Archice was ok or maybe he could have been better but , "Saints had a bunch of moochey heads back then."
My dad was old. Moochey heads is what he called the 1970s' cocaine headed players-Chuck Muncie and the gang back them.
I cannot remember Kilmer. I was too young and never read up over the years about him in our Saints. That is proof enough by not much mention of him so he was just ok.

FinSaint · 03-07-2012, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by OldMaid

How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd.

Yeah, but everyone passed on Warren Moon and that is why he ended up playing in the Canadian league.

It was just how things were back then, no one thought that an African American QB could be successful in the league, but Moon sure proved them wrong.

voodooido · 03-07-2012, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Yeah, but everyone passed on Warren Moon and that is why he ended up playing in the Canadian league.

It was just how things were back then, no one thought that an African American QB could be successful in the league, but Moon sure proved them wrong.

What about the trade 4 Heath Schuler? That was a great move

FinSaint · 03-07-2012, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

What about the trade 4 Heath Schuler? That was a great move

I don't know what that has to do with Warren Moon?

And I guess you were being sarcastic about Schuler, although, the Saints only gave up a 3rd and a 5th, so it wasn't a huge investment.

03-06-2012, 02:32 PM	#1
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,837	RJ3 will be another vick. Be solid but never have the talent to lift his team to a Championship. Perfect for the Browns who just want wins!
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03-06-2012, 05:11 PM	#3
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line?? Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant? In the context of the salary cap - In the context of the past successes - In the context of individual contribution - In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries - In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks - Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team. Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body. He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call.
	Calvin: "I wish I was a Tiger." Hobbes: "Common lament."

03-06-2012, 10:19 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by xan I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line?? Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant? In the context of the salary cap - In the context of the past successes - In the context of individual contribution - In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries - In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks - Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team. Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body. He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call. Yeah you rite. And I respect his decision. I am a Drew Brees fan. He wanted what amounts to (I think) 15 million more up front dollars over the first three years. That's not chump change, even for Drew. I get it. But it also means (I think) that he wasn't willing to meet the team halfway, and that's what is most depressing to me, because up until Monday I thought he truly was that kind of guy. Rare to be sure. The Saints offer was fair. Brady money for any player is plenty fair. Think about it Drew. Do the right thing here man. FinSaint likes this.
	C'mon Man...

03-06-2012, 10:08 PM	#6
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by OldMaid xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed. Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM? It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve. PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now. In the NFL you get paid for past services. That's why Jimmy Graham makes 600k right now, and in two years he will make 7+ million, even if he sucks. It's also why players don't do a whole lot of performance based contracts.

03-07-2012, 06:45 AM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by OldMaid How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd. Yeah, but everyone passed on Warren Moon and that is why he ended up playing in the Canadian league. It was just how things were back then, no one thought that an African American QB could be successful in the league, but Moon sure proved them wrong.

03-06-2012, 04:53 PM	#2
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	I heard we're making a trade for Matt Ryan. ducks

03-06-2012, 08:20 PM	#5
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,919 Blog Entries: 3	xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed. Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM? It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve. PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now.

03-06-2012, 08:44 PM	#7
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,919 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by voodooido "oh yeh, all we need is another Aarron Brooks." ------------------------------ You forgot. Or Bobby Hebert. Or John Forucade. How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd. I forgot who was 2nd qb under Richard Todd. Maybe it was still Dave Wilson of California. I still remember the pictures at the press conference of Richard Todd and his wife. RTodd was like, just there. Here was just a place to just kill some time and get a few good pays for investments seemed to be his facial expression. Kenny "Snake" Stabler WAS very good, but we got him at the very end of his career. The backup qb was Dave Wilson. Kenny or Dave? Dave or Kenny? Take Kenny. I always hear people here knock Aaron Brooks. Yes, he was a mediocre qb just like all of the rest we had before him. No one mentions the others we had. Brees is the only winning qb and most talented qb we have ever had. Yes, Brees had all the other elements with him in fellow palyers, caoching staff, but judging him alone, Brees is a very talented, smart qb. Oh and Archie Manning was ok. Just ok. Yes, as my Dearly Deceased Dad used to say, "Archice was ok or maybe he could have been better but , "Saints had a bunch of moochey heads back then." My dad was old. Moochey heads is what he called the 1970s' cocaine headed players-Chuck Muncie and the gang back them. I cannot remember Kilmer. I was too young and never read up over the years about him in our Saints. That is proof enough by not much mention of him so he was just ok.

03-07-2012, 07:31 AM	#9
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,837	Originally Posted by FinSaint Yeah, but everyone passed on Warren Moon and that is why he ended up playing in the Canadian league. It was just how things were back then, no one thought that an African American QB could be successful in the league, but Moon sure proved them wrong. What about the trade 4 Heath Schuler? That was a great move
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03-07-2012, 08:15 AM	#10
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by voodooido What about the trade 4 Heath Schuler? That was a great move I don't know what that has to do with Warren Moon? And I guess you were being sarcastic about Schuler, although, the Saints only gave up a 3rd and a 5th, so it wasn't a huge investment.

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