Brees livid about being tagged...

03-06-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Don't blaim Brees if he is livid. He was frachised before and shown the door after he got injured. Very well could happen again to him. It is a business for these guys and they have to protect themselves. Hard to imagine on the other hand when 18 million isn't good enough, if that is in fact a true figure.

The difference is the Chargers already had his replacement under contract.
Rivers was drafted in 2004 so they had already paid him for 2 years to sit the bench. We don't have Drew's replacement yet. Big difference in the tag usage.

Jamessr · 03-06-2012, 05:53 PM

I heard we're making a trade for Matt Ryan.

*ducks*

xan · 03-06-2012, 06:11 PM

I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line??

Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant?

In the context of the salary cap -
In the context of the past successes -
In the context of individual contribution -
In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries -
In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks -

Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team.

Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body.

He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call.

OldMaid · 03-06-2012, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

This is the beginning of the end of the supremacy guys... I know, I know... Overreacting, blowing things out of proportion, blah, blah, blah. The ****'s hit the fan and I'm mortified by the way our organization has handled every aspect of things.

I agree. Some of here are turn on Brees too. Come on. Stop that.
Nothing last forever.
Brees wasn't going to stay his current age, ability, etc.
Salary cap.
Brees should get his due pay. He has earned it all up to this year. It will be at the sacrifice of some other Saints having to be let go in trades and draft pciks and free agency.
I still think he is that vaulable to the Saints.
The Saints need to start rebuilding now with the qb position and others.
Coach SP really seems to have been good at rebuilding , I should say refilling along the way.
I am not ready to see Brees and some other Saints players move on. I am ready to see SP and staff move on either.
I know it is all going to happen. I really think many of these players and coaching staff have another good season left. I mean a winning season and maybe even SB. After this year, I think the next season would be a fair season with hard wins, ugly wins at 9-7 or 10-6.
After 2013, that will be the end of the wonderful ride with this current team and coaching staff.
That is when you really start rebuilding a team with new general manager, coaching staff, and players.
Ask Indy Colts. Maybe with our Saints world being upside down right now with Brees tagged and the scandal, hmm, Peyton Manning is out of Colts, Brees ends up in Indy Colts and Manning ends up in Saints.

I do not know what is going on in Saintsville.

Who messed up our apple cart?

Just kidding about Brees-Manning trading places.

Always

OldMaid · 03-06-2012, 09:20 PM

xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed.
Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM?
It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve.
PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now.

OldMaid · 03-06-2012, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido
"oh yeh, all we need is another Aarron Brooks."

------------------------------
You forgot.
Or Bobby Hebert. Or John Forucade. How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd. I forgot who was 2nd qb under Richard Todd. Maybe it was still Dave Wilson of California. I still remember the pictures at the press conference of Richard Todd and his wife. RTodd was like, just there. Here was just a place to just kill some time and get a few good pays for investments seemed to be his facial expression.
Kenny "Snake" Stabler WAS very good, but we got him at the very end of his career. The backup qb was Dave Wilson. Kenny or Dave? Dave or Kenny?
Take Kenny.

I always hear people here knock Aaron Brooks. Yes, he was a mediocre qb just like all of the rest we had before him. No one mentions the others we had. Brees is the only winning qb and most talented qb we have ever had. Yes, Brees had all the other elements with him in fellow palyers, caoching staff, but judging him alone, Brees is a very talented, smart qb.
Oh and Archie Manning was ok. Just ok. Yes, as my Dearly Deceased Dad used to say, "Archice was ok or maybe he could have been better but , "Saints had a bunch of moochey heads back then."
My dad was old. Moochey heads is what he called the 1970s' cocaine headed players-Chuck Muncie and the gang back them.
I cannot remember Kilmer. I was too young and never read up over the years about him in our Saints. That is proof enough by not much mention of him so he was just ok.

alexonfyre · 03-06-2012, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by OldMaid

xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed.
Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM?
It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve.
PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now.

In the NFL you get paid for past services. That's why Jimmy Graham makes 600k right now, and in two years he will make 7+ million, even if he sucks. It's also why players don't do a whole lot of performance based contracts.

saintfan · 03-06-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by xan

I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line??

Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant?

In the context of the salary cap -
In the context of the past successes -
In the context of individual contribution -
In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries -
In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks -

Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team.

Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body.

He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call.

Yeah you rite. And I respect his decision. I am a Drew Brees fan. He wanted what amounts to (I think) 15 million more up front dollars over the first three years. That's not chump change, even for Drew. I get it. But it also means (I think) that he wasn't willing to meet the team halfway, and that's what is most depressing to me, because up until Monday I thought he truly was that kind of guy. Rare to be sure.

The Saints offer was fair. Brady money for any player is plenty fair. Think about it Drew. Do the right thing here man.

The Dude · 03-06-2012, 11:23 PM

Can we trash this thread already?

FinSaint · 03-07-2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by OldMaid

How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd.

Yeah, but everyone passed on Warren Moon and that is why he ended up playing in the Canadian league.

It was just how things were back then, no one thought that an African American QB could be successful in the league, but Moon sure proved them wrong.

03-06-2012, 03:45 PM	#71
Threaded by Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Don't blaim Brees if he is livid. He was frachised before and shown the door after he got injured. Very well could happen again to him. It is a business for these guys and they have to protect themselves. Hard to imagine on the other hand when 18 million isn't good enough, if that is in fact a true figure. The difference is the Chargers already had his replacement under contract. Rivers was drafted in 2004 so they had already paid him for 2 years to sit the bench. We don't have Drew's replacement yet. Big difference in the tag usage.
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03-06-2012, 06:11 PM	#73
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line?? Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant? In the context of the salary cap - In the context of the past successes - In the context of individual contribution - In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries - In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks - Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team. Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body. He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call.
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03-06-2012, 09:14 PM	#74
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by ChrisXVI This is the beginning of the end of the supremacy guys... I know, I know... Overreacting, blowing things out of proportion, blah, blah, blah. The ****'s hit the fan and I'm mortified by the way our organization has handled every aspect of things. I agree. Some of here are turn on Brees too. Come on. Stop that. Nothing last forever. Brees wasn't going to stay his current age, ability, etc. Salary cap. Brees should get his due pay. He has earned it all up to this year. It will be at the sacrifice of some other Saints having to be let go in trades and draft pciks and free agency. I still think he is that vaulable to the Saints. The Saints need to start rebuilding now with the qb position and others. Coach SP really seems to have been good at rebuilding , I should say refilling along the way. I am not ready to see Brees and some other Saints players move on. I am ready to see SP and staff move on either. I know it is all going to happen. I really think many of these players and coaching staff have another good season left. I mean a winning season and maybe even SB. After this year, I think the next season would be a fair season with hard wins, ugly wins at 9-7 or 10-6. After 2013, that will be the end of the wonderful ride with this current team and coaching staff. That is when you really start rebuilding a team with new general manager, coaching staff, and players. Ask Indy Colts. Maybe with our Saints world being upside down right now with Brees tagged and the scandal, hmm, Peyton Manning is out of Colts, Brees ends up in Indy Colts and Manning ends up in Saints. I do not know what is going on in Saintsville. Who messed up our apple cart? Just kidding about Brees-Manning trading places. Always

03-06-2012, 11:08 PM	#77
alexonfyre Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Black Pearl University Posts: 799	Originally Posted by OldMaid xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed. Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM? It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve. PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now. In the NFL you get paid for past services. That's why Jimmy Graham makes 600k right now, and in two years he will make 7+ million, even if he sucks. It's also why players don't do a whole lot of performance based contracts.

03-06-2012, 11:19 PM	#78
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by xan I'm conflicted. I want Mr. Brees to earn a respectable wage. I also want a team that is competitive. Where to draw the line?? Do we support the position that "superstars" get to crowd out the other players? Do we support the position that merit pay is the only true wage determinant? In the context of the salary cap - In the context of the past successes - In the context of individual contribution - In the context of the number of players demanding top 5 salaries - In the context of the financial penalty and possible loss of draft picks - Getting to be the highest paid player in the league under the tag has to be the ultimate humiliation for a competitor. He has every right to be petulant. Why should he make room for other quality players? It's really not his problem to field a competitive team. Its not his problem to find an offensive line that will prevent every team we face this year from exacting retribution for Bountygate on his frail body. He played chicken with the facts. He could have had a long term guaranteed deal as the highest paid player in the league for 6 years. Now he gets to roll the dice on a one year deal. It was his call. Yeah you rite. And I respect his decision. I am a Drew Brees fan. He wanted what amounts to (I think) 15 million more up front dollars over the first three years. That's not chump change, even for Drew. I get it. But it also means (I think) that he wasn't willing to meet the team halfway, and that's what is most depressing to me, because up until Monday I thought he truly was that kind of guy. Rare to be sure. The Saints offer was fair. Brady money for any player is plenty fair. Think about it Drew. Do the right thing here man. FinSaint likes this.
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OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	xan , I would not want Saints to give Brees a guaranteed 6 yr. or mulityear deal. I like and believe in Bress for all the reasons you listed. Two years, max though. You end up with a Peyton Manning situation. He got paid how much for just being PM? It is no surpirse he was let go. He is doing a Brett Farve. PM should, for his health sake and current stats and just retire. He has done it all. It is all going to be all downhill for him and ugly now.

03-06-2012, 09:44 PM	#76
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,910 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by voodooido "oh yeh, all we need is another Aarron Brooks." ------------------------------ You forgot. Or Bobby Hebert. Or John Forucade. How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd. I forgot who was 2nd qb under Richard Todd. Maybe it was still Dave Wilson of California. I still remember the pictures at the press conference of Richard Todd and his wife. RTodd was like, just there. Here was just a place to just kill some time and get a few good pays for investments seemed to be his facial expression. Kenny "Snake" Stabler WAS very good, but we got him at the very end of his career. The backup qb was Dave Wilson. Kenny or Dave? Dave or Kenny? Take Kenny. I always hear people here knock Aaron Brooks. Yes, he was a mediocre qb just like all of the rest we had before him. No one mentions the others we had. Brees is the only winning qb and most talented qb we have ever had. Yes, Brees had all the other elements with him in fellow palyers, caoching staff, but judging him alone, Brees is a very talented, smart qb. Oh and Archie Manning was ok. Just ok. Yes, as my Dearly Deceased Dad used to say, "Archice was ok or maybe he could have been better but , "Saints had a bunch of moochey heads back then." My dad was old. Moochey heads is what he called the 1970s' cocaine headed players-Chuck Muncie and the gang back them. I cannot remember Kilmer. I was too young and never read up over the years about him in our Saints. That is proof enough by not much mention of him so he was just ok.

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03-07-2012, 07:45 AM	#80
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Originally Posted by OldMaid How about Richard Todd. Oh that was smart. Pass on Warren Moon and take Richard Todd. Yeah, but everyone passed on Warren Moon and that is why he ended up playing in the Canadian league. It was just how things were back then, no one thought that an African American QB could be successful in the league, but Moon sure proved them wrong.

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