G. Williams Audio - Wow...
 

Released the day of Payton's appeal.

Warning: Major profanity (not in the article, but in the audio)

Report: Former New Orleans Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams ordered players to injure 49ers players - New Orleans Saints Football NFL News - NOLA.com

that cant be good

Honestly this looks worse for GW than the Saints. SP (doubt his year will be reduced) and the players (probably will get their suspensions by next week) already have been punished. Why even leak the audio? I don't care about this...This kinda stuff believe it or not is said in EVERY football locker room. Not saying its right and that its not disturbing but it is what it is.

This is nothing more than a PR move to get everyone as angry as they were when they first heard about the bounties. Because if you haven't noticed it had kind of died down a little. Everytime something came the Saints would counter with a big signing that no one thought we had enough cap space to make. The most likely hiring of Parcells as interim coach had people talking about that instead of bounties....you think the NFL appreciates that..NO. So they figure hey we'll leak this so we can continue to make it seem like the Saints are the most evil organization in the world. And because this audio seems to be so damning...the only way to counter is to do 1 of 2 things....sign Brees or get Parcells. In a perfect world they would do both at the same time.

On film too? Brain Surgeon.

That's not good for Williams. It actually helps the case of players and Sean Payton. The players were under explicit orders from the defensive coach, who claims total autonomy in running the defense, to do what they are accused of doing. They were clearly coerced with the threat of losing their jobs. The claim of autonomy supports Payton's claim of not knowing what was going on even as he took blame for it happening under his watch.

Ironically, our defense didn't do crap during this game. Not only did we not injure anyone, we gave up 36 points to stupid Alex Smith!

I'm glad Gregg Williams is gone. And to be honest, I did notice some things in games that were a direct result of Williams that I didn't enjoy watching to put it mildly. I hope Spags and the new linebackers can bring some basic tackling back to our team.

And the reporter who taped it...

"Pamphilon, who watched the Saints-49ers game from the New Orleans sidelines, said he doesn’t believe Williams’ speech translated into any actual harm to San Francisco players.

“I was two feet behind the Saints’ bench,” he said, “and it looked like they were trying to kill each other every play. But I’ve watched about 15 NFL games from the sidelines, and I didn’t see anything different in that game than I’ve seen in any other football game. To me, they’re all trying to separate guys from the ball and all trying to get big hits that land them on ‘SportsCenter’ – on every play.”

Saying you are going to do something and actually doing it are entirely two different circumstances. I'm still waiting for anyone to show a specific play where it actually occured.

3 points I’d like to make about that recording is...

1.)Never was there mentioned that incentives would be given for those hits.

2.)GW was right,all the defenses that are respected in the league earned their respect by making “dirty” hits and not apologizing for them! Thats encouraged by the NFL,thats the character of the NFL and that’s Goodell’s responsibility to change that general consensus view. Also you couldn’t convince me that GW is the only DC that encouraged(s) a hard and physical defense and speaks like that to his players,but really it’s more of a league problem,because the NFL is supposed to be monitoring these so called “dirty” hits we've been making and fine them.

3.)And that brings me to my last point. Where are the big hits? Where are the cart offs? Where are the knock outs?!?!?!? In-particularly the 4Whiners game. The only big hits that could be even remotely viewed as dirty were hits made by the opposing team! I’m not condoning dirty hits,but I would bet 80% or more of DCs tell their players the same thing before a game to get them pumped up,more hot air than anything else. If anything Goodell needs to be suspended for allowing such a crappy officiating system to be in place and not doing a better job of tightening the rules to eliminate “dirty” hits!

The last 4 minutes of that game was the direct result of Williams. I'm sorry but a 12 yr old could call a better defense after your Offense won the game for you TWICE. The guy called a blitz seems like every single play instead of playing total coverage to make sure they didn't get in the endzone. He blitzed after Sproles caught the first TD to put us up by 4. Then instead of LEARNING from the mistake he made the first time HE DID IT AGAIN! I'm sorry but.....it just makes me so angry that Brees had 2 of his defining moments (you can't tell me that those last 2 TDs wouldn't have been on his HOF highlight reel) pissed away by his DC.

I couldn't agree with this more. It's one of the reasons why that loss still stings today almost as badly as it did the day it happened.

This is going to hurt GW more than the Saints, the timing of the leak of this video doesn't help the appealing process going on today but the only person you hear is GW so hopefully they have some kind of answer that throws him under the bus even more. I'm still waiting to see what hits lead to any major injuries

I still cringe every time I see any 49er highlights from that game on NFLN, what bother's me is that this arrogant, loud moron cost this team another championship

...Silver got the information from filmmaker Sean Pamphilon, who had access to team meetings and functions while working on a documentary on former Saints player Steve Gleason, who's currently battling ALS. More injurious to the Saints' appeals: According to several reports, the team was warned by the league just two weeks before to stop any intent or mention of bounty practices. It is not yet known whether the NFL became aware of Williams' speech during their investigation.

From the Silver story and the audio you can hear here (Warning: it's NSFW -- pretty profane stuff), here's Williams on 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, with after he trots out his old "Kill the head and the body will die" favorite:

That's Pamphilon claiming that Williams used the cash sign. Then, Williams on 49ers running back Frank Gore:
Williams on 49ers running back Kendall Hunter:

GREAT STUFF, BUT THE ONLY ILLEGAL HIT IN THE GAME WAS PUT ON PIERRE THOMAS!

Why is Sean Payton completely responsible for this?

Gregg Williams gets suspended and hardly takes ANY CRITICISM for all this. It's ALL SEAN PAYTON'S FAULT! B.S. :mad:

I don't understand what matters about this at all. He didn't mention any money. We sucked defensively. If our goal was to take out Vernon Davis, they should all be benched. Sean wasn't on the tape from what I could tell. And finally, he talked about the "head" metaphorically more than anything. He mentioned ACL (that's bad) but the concussion thing was nothing. As long as we're withing the helmet-to-helmet rules, we should have been good. And the ACL is just to scare them.

At the end of the day, we were obviously the weaker team on defense. And the timing of this audio could only help. Its an obvious and desperate attempt to make this worse. Goodell might be a dbag, but he's not stupid. He should be able to recognize that this was leaked or posted today for a reason.

I've had high school coaches talk tougher than that.

Whats the big deal?

I've heard worse in bible camp.

For the players, it is a zero sum game. One winner, one loser. Any way that a coach can keep a player focusing on the task at hand rather than the possibility that he's one unfortunate angle from being permanently disabled is a good thing. In football, the initiator is not usually the victim.

First, this is a contact sport. The defense has a job. HIT them, they are supposed to stop the man with the ball. This is just a pep talk. Do any of you really thinks he wants to kill a man? Really, you hit the best man hard and send a message. So if he doesn't use an aggressive talk, what is going to say "ok boys lets just make sure the don't score on us. I"ll buy the ice cream after the game"
This is blown so far, it makes me sick.
The GIANTS said the same DAMN thing about Williams in the NFC championship game, they knew about his concussions . They were told to go after his head. And they did, and they admitted to this.
WAKE up people, this is not flag football, but it will be very soon.

Another bad day. I can't believe this at all. This is just sick.

Ok also this **** needs to be said for boxing, Ok we know he has a concussion, so lets just use body shots for eight rounds.

Gregg Williams gets suspended and hardly takes ANY CRITICISM for all this. It's ALL SEAN PAYTON'S FAULT! B.S.

True Dat ... as if the wording was to be taken in its most literal sense! In these times of P.C., this kind of rhetoric tends to be overblown.

Most of what was said was nothing more than metaphorical speech. Mentioning specific players and injuries isn't right but anyone who watched that game could clearly see our defense didn't do anything to try to injure their players. I think this reflects way more on Williams than our players. Our defense was an absolute joke that game and I'm glad Williams is gone and Spags is here bringing in new players that will hopefully better compliment our offense.

I think that we've all suffered enough because of that game and shouldn't have to hear another word about it. Ever.

Sadly will will hear about this for a long time, to come. Willams is nuts.

The only way to make this better is to win. I care less about this scandal now. It happend they are being punished for it...time to move on get better and try to win another SB and show the world that regardless of how they look at our team THEY STILL WIN.

I'm sorry...can someone please refresh my memory how many players we injured in that game. There were SO MANY, a girl can't keep track. Gosh, we really put a hurting on them, didn't we? :eek:

BINGO!! I wanna know what Jim Harbaugh said to the 9ers players when the took out PT. Anyone?? :rolleyes:

I agree completely. Williams did some very good things with the Saints but he was so obsessed with blitzing the opposing teams saw it a mile away. We should not have lost that game. It was an atrocious effort on Gregg Williams' part.

Goodell wasn't the superintendent?

The big deal is that Williams didn't use more discretion. It glaringly apparent that this happens at almost every level of football but this is all about a sanctimonious ruler that fears the upcoming lawsuits from players that didn't know about the effects of the physical sport in which they play.:rolleyes:

Make this go away.:brood:

Wow! This Sean Pamphilon guy is actually saying that Gregg Williams WAS ordered to stop what he was doing and he ignored the order.

He also defends the players:

Not only THAT, but in Marine Corps bootcamp, they are training recruits to KILL people!

LOL

Alaska

Ok... I come in peace. I understand the need to defend the actions of your beloved team. But people here can not be that out of touch of reality. To really believe that this is some sort of conspiracy and or it is normal practice in every level of sports, is in short asinine.

GW blatantly instructed his team to

1) aim for the knees of a player who had history of ACL problems.
2) aim for the ankles of a player who had a history of bad ankles.

Notice I did not mention anything about #10's or #21's 'concussions' because that can easily be misinterpreted metaphors. But how can you as human beings truly ignore, a small sample of which the NFL claims to have more of, malicious acts to pay others to deliberately injure another human being? And this was just ONE week versus ONE team. How long has this gone on and for how many teams?

I'm not here to debate whether or not Loomis/Payton's suspensions/punishments are too severe or not severe enough. But is it sad that people believe they should not be punished. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it over the span of multiple seasons.

In closing, if you cannot rationally distinguish between playing a rough and physical sport; versus deliberately trying to injure another human being. I truly fear for your children and for anyone who has you as their mentor, role model, boss, ect.

The man who leaked its conscience was bothering him....I'll buy that for a dollar.

So convenient, that this salacious bit of audio just coincidentally found its way into the media, to be released on the same day that the appeals are being heard by Goodelll. After the public sentiment had begun to swing back towards the Saints and Payton, that maybe the penalties were too harsh. This audio exists since January, the bounty scandal has been going on publicly since March 2nd, and after two months this audio just suddenly comes out of the blue NOW, today.

Pretty amazing coincidence.

Gregg Williams audio brings back into focus Giants
Back in January, weeks before the word “bounty” meant anything to football fans other than the brand of paper towels used to clean up spilled beer after a garbage-time touchdown allowed the underdog to cover the spread, a pair of Giants players admitted following the NFC title game that part of the strategy was to hit punt returner Kyle Williams in the head.

“The thing is, we knew he had four concussions, so that was our biggest thing, was to take him outta the game,” linebacker Jacquain Williams said at the time regarding Williams, who muffed a punt and fumbled a punt during San Francisco.

“He’s had a lot of concussions,” receiver Devin Thomas said. “We were just like, ‘We gotta put a hit on that guy.’ . . . [Giants reserve safety Tyler] Sash did a great job hitting him early and he looked kind of dazed when he got up. I feel like that made a difference and he coughed it up.”

As Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports explains it, filmmaker Shawn Pamphilon was specifically troubled by the Giants’ remarks, given what Pamphilon heard the night before the Saints played the 49ers in the division round.

“When [Gregg Williams] was talking about the Gore stuff and saying ‘cut off the head,’ I was thinking, ‘That’s a metaphor,’ ” Pamphilon told Silver. “The thing that really got me was when he said the thing about No. 10 and concussions. I thought, ‘Did he just say that?’ That was the red flag for me. And then the comments by the Giants made it hit home even harder.”

What hits home even harder now is the possibility, if not likelihood, that Jacquain Williams and Devin Thomas didn’t come up with the importance of hitting Kyle Williams in the head on their own. In nearly a dozen years of covering the NFL, one thing I’ve learned is that most of the things the players say publicly trace back to something a member of the coaching staff told them.

And so it’s now hard not to wonder whether one or more members of the Giants’ coaching staff were saying the same kind of things that Gregg Williams was saying to the Saints the night before the Giants played the 49ers.

Without all those turnovers we do win the game. That's not his fault. I think he did a good job considering the talent he had to work. He committed to putting pressure on Smith and it worked much of the game. Was it great, no, but it was more than enough IMO. Putting his whole career with the Saints on that one drive is extremely critical. He helped us win a lot of games with a bunch of C- to B players and when coach asked him to get the D nasty he did exactly that.

I haven't heard the audio (not going to at work), but the reference to the "cash sign" as a payment could actually be taken two ways.

1. Incentive payment - how it's currently being portrayed as a "Bounty"
2. Fine Payment - The context could be taken as an offer to assist in paying any possibly fine handed out by the "Ego in the NFL Offices".

Either way the audio is out there and people will spin it to their way of thinking.

The fact the audio was release today of all days appears to be nothing but sensationalism. If they recorded and released this type of item from every team and coach this would be a non-story.

If teams were not required to release injury reports this type of information may not be available to other teams (or the odds makers). So why not look at the system that spawned this behavior - Is the league not responsible enough to see they are partially responsible for this?

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY............

What do you want us to do as fans? Call for Payton's head? Stop attending the games? To hell with that. You don't know ****.

Hey! Welcome aboard!

You are what's been missing from this site:

A little girl!

Go away, Troll. This is an internal matter.

We'll take care of whatever team you come from when that time comes.

Alaska

Media blackout in lockerrooms.

There. Problem solved. Should have known better than to allow that to happen.

Alaska