Question for the Forum

WhoDat!656 · 04-06-2012, 09:34 AM

I remember Kommisar Goodell, on the the day that the coaches penaltys were announced, saying basically, ALL head coaches were responsible for what was going on with their teams. Even if players themselves were having 'pay for performance' pools, the head coach should 'know' about it and eliminate them.

By that reasoning, is Goodell going to suspend coaches when players fail a drug test? Because he has said, the head coach should know what is going on with his team.

sharke · 04-06-2012, 09:41 AM

Well, Ricky Williams retired so clearly all drug issues have been removed from the NFL.

UK_WhoDat · 04-06-2012, 02:25 PM

I think Goddell is trying to apply corporate world overview to the NFL. Not a bad idea. But then the NFL itself then has to take a hit (pardon the pun) if they allow teams to continue in an "unethical" way over a period of time.

So if HC out is correct, then the RG out is also correct because it occured over a period o time under his "command"

Halo · 04-06-2012, 02:34 PM

Failed drug tests, steroids, sexual harassment in the lockroom (favre), etc.

saintfan · 04-06-2012, 02:40 PM

For that matter, if punishment is from the top down with zero regard for logic, the Goodell should suspend and fine himself for not putting a stop to the bounty program in 2009.

Rugby Saint II · 04-06-2012, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

For that matter, if punishment is from the top down with zero regard for logic, the Goodell should suspend and fine himself for not putting a stop to the bounty program in 2009.

He knew about it and was going to let it slide.......but since we continued and tried to cover it up he had to get down on us. Not about the actual bounty, Saintfan is right he needs to suspend himself because he knew about and it was under his watch.

SaintsBro · 04-07-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

sexual harassment in the lockroom (favre), etc.

This, good point. It is really sad that there were virtually no penalties enforced upon the team/organization, who pretty clearly allowed this sort of thing to go on, or didn't do more to avoid situations or environments where it could happen. Sexual harassment is a really serious thing. If that had happened in any other workplace in America, you don't think some supervisors or management would have been called on the carpet for it?

sharke · 04-07-2012, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

sexual harassment in the lockroom (favre), etc.

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

This, good point. It is really sad that there were virtually no penalties enforced upon the team/organization, who pretty clearly allowed this sort of thing to go on, or didn't do more to avoid situations or environments where it could happen. Sexual harassment is a really serious thing. If that had happened in any other workplace in America, you don't think some supervisors or management would have been called on the carpet for it?

This got me thinking, maybe Vilma's motivation against Favre isn't based on a bounty system but just a hardline stance against sexual harassment in the workplace.

04-06-2012, 09:34 AM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Question for the Forum I remember Kommisar Goodell, on the the day that the coaches penaltys were announced, saying basically, ALL head coaches were responsible for what was going on with their teams. Even if players themselves were having 'pay for performance' pools, the head coach should 'know' about it and eliminate them. By that reasoning, is Goodell going to suspend coaches when players fail a drug test? Because he has said, the head coach should know what is going on with his team. Halo, saintfan, SaintGup and 1 others like this.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	For that matter, if punishment is from the top down with zero regard for logic, the Goodell should suspend and fine himself for not putting a stop to the bounty program in 2009. ScottF and sharke like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Originally Posted by saintfan For that matter, if punishment is from the top down with zero regard for logic, the Goodell should suspend and fine himself for not putting a stop to the bounty program in 2009. He knew about it and was going to let it slide.......but since we continued and tried to cover it up he had to get down on us. Not about the actual bounty, Saintfan is right he needs to suspend himself because he knew about and it was under his watch.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Halo sexual harassment in the lockroom (favre), etc. This, good point. It is really sad that there were virtually no penalties enforced upon the team/organization, who pretty clearly allowed this sort of thing to go on, or didn't do more to avoid situations or environments where it could happen. Sexual harassment is a really serious thing. If that had happened in any other workplace in America, you don't think some supervisors or management would have been called on the carpet for it?

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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	I think Goddell is trying to apply corporate world overview to the NFL. Not a bad idea. But then the NFL itself then has to take a hit (pardon the pun) if they allow teams to continue in an "unethical" way over a period of time. So if HC out is correct, then the RG out is also correct because it occured over a period o time under his "command"

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04-07-2012, 08:44 PM	#8
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	Originally Posted by Halo sexual harassment in the lockroom (favre), etc. Originally Posted by SaintsBro This, good point. It is really sad that there were virtually no penalties enforced upon the team/organization, who pretty clearly allowed this sort of thing to go on, or didn't do more to avoid situations or environments where it could happen. Sexual harassment is a really serious thing. If that had happened in any other workplace in America, you don't think some supervisors or management would have been called on the carpet for it? This got me thinking, maybe Vilma's motivation against Favre isn't based on a bounty system but just a hardline stance against sexual harassment in the workplace.