Atlanta game

Vrillon82 · 08-11-2012, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

yeah but your defense was already ok. Your missing the point. Nolan is not stoping the NO offense, and with sprags now Ryan has to deal with pass rush.
Like the giants,,, remember how that turned out?
Ryans a pure timed pocket passer, we have been saying this for years. Knock him off his mark and he losses it.

Well the one thing I see from Matt Ryan is I like to compare him to Tony Romo quite alot, they both got a tendency to just not make the right decisions when they pass the ball.

Romos is a little different because its further down field, Ryan though is more of the short passer.

Time after time, Ryan forces the ball to 1 player too much. Usually if it wasnt for Tony G, things would be alot worse. Romo does this just as much if not more. I think it comes down to Ryan not reading defenses and unloading the ball to a WR/TE that he should of not beee trying to get the ball to.

pherein · 08-11-2012, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

Well the one thing I see from Matt Ryan is I like to compare him to Tony Romo quite alot, they both got a tendency to just not make the right decisions when they pass the ball.

Romos is a little different because its further down field, Ryan though is more of the short passer.

Time after time, Ryan forces the ball to 1 player too much. Usually if it wasnt for Tony G, things would be alot worse. Romo does this just as much if not more. I think it comes down to Ryan not reading defenses and unloading the ball to a WR/TE that he should of not beee trying to get the ball to.

I can live with that. Thats a good opinion. If you watch the leader boards both QB's are up and down the charts.
2011 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Ive more seen Romo as a gunslinger. More of the Farve type, but I understand where you are going with this.
They both follow mental patterns when they panicked. Like farve in 2009.
Your are right Ryan always tries to hit Tony when he looses it. Problem is, TG is good and made him look good, and
I can remember when we could not cover him, but now we can.

We know Ryan is a timed pocket passer. Granted if the right team was around him, he could win. But Ryan is not someone that can pull this off on his own like a Brady or PM, or even Rivers. He just doesnt have that ability.
He cant do it without a team, like Smith, only Ryan is way better than Smith.
Im not seeing the team he needs in Atlanta, are you?

for 1 Ryan needs a better OL than we have to succeed. A defense at top 5. A run game at top 5, and White not being the leader in drops in the NFL. Its just common sense. If Ryan is not "Comfortable" he can't do it.

Vrillon82 · 08-11-2012, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

I can live with that. Thats a good opinion. If you watch the leader boards both QB's are up and down the charts.
2011 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Ive more seen Romo as a gunslinger. More of the Farve type, but I understand where you are going with this.
They both follow mental patterns when they panicked. Like farve in 2009.
Your are right Ryan always tries to hit Tony when he looses it. Problem is, TG is good and made him look good, and
I can remember when we could not cover him, but now we can.

We know Ryan is a timed pocket passer. Granted if the right team was around him, he could win. But Ryan is not someone that can pull this off on his own like a Brady or PM, or even Rivers. He just doesnt have that ability.
He cant do it without a team, like Smith, only Ryan is way better than Smith.
Im not seeing the team he needs in Atlanta, are you?

for 1 Ryan needs a better OL than we have to succeed. A defense at top 5. A run game at top 5, and White not being the leader in drops in the NFL. Its just common sense. If Ryan is not "Comfortable" he can't do it.

I am not seeing players on that offense with multiple skill sets, I do see a team on that offense that is built with some decent talent , but the weak link is Matt Ryan due to his decision making and lack of arm I guess.

I dont know if this has ever been covered, But I question what kind of stats does Ryan have when he has had to throw 25-30 times a game or more? I know I have seen some games like this and I believe his Comp % is somewhere in the 50s, dont quote me on that though.

With that said, I think some players are playing short a full deck of cards to, most people was ready to say Roddy White is a top WR in the NFL, I am not even sure hes the top WR on his own team. This is an argument I have made over time as it relates to the Julio Jones draft choice now.

The argument is this, why did they draft Julio Jones when Roddy White is pretty much the same breed as Jones? You dont hardly see White as a route runner, hes a down field Gunner, every play you see him make is this with the exception being the red zone on some occasions, this is why Tony G has so many TDs though, because no one but him gets open in the red zone, but this is what they drafted Julio Jones for was a gunner, which made absolutely no sense, now you got 2 deep threats and a QB who cant throw over 40 yards. I dont know who their other WR is, I guess its Harry Douglas, hes someone who has done nothing outside his Rookie season. If Tony G declines or decides to hang it up, they are in deep doo doo.

Utah_Saint · 08-11-2012, 12:18 AM

Mike Nolan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Over his career Nolan usually has left a defense worse off than when he found it.

The Giants were worse
The Redskins were worse
The Jets, he only had one season but they had no noticeable improvement
The Ravens he improved from 19th to 6th in points allowed but as a coincidence, that's when Ed Reed joined the team and the year before Ray Lewis was out on a murder trial.
The 49ers were bad when he got there and they were bad when he left.
The Broncos got better the year he was there and then continued to get even better after he left.
And Miami's defense did improve last year from the year before.

pherein · 08-11-2012, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Mike Nolan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Over his career Nolan usually has left a defense worse off than when he found it.

The Giants were worse
The Redskins were worse
The Jets, he only had one season but they had no noticeable improvement
The Ravens he improved from 19th to 6th in points allowed but as a coincidence, that's when Ed Reed joined the team and the year before Ray Lewis was out on a murder trial.
The 49ers were bad when he got there and they were bad when he left.
The Broncos got better the year he was there and then continued to get even better after he left.
And Miami's defense did improve last year from the year before.

I looked at the same stats. I have no idea why Falcon fans think Nolan is a game changer or Dirk Koetter as OC. He was OC of the Jags. Give me a break, and calls Ryan a top 10 QB. Im sure hes never worked with a top 5 QB in his life.

The Dude · 08-11-2012, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by pherein

I looked at the same stats. I have no idea why Falcon fans think Nolan is a game changer or Dirk Koetter as OC. He was OC of the Jags. Give me a break, and calls Ryan a top 10 QB. Im sure hes never worked with a top 5 QB in his life.

Have to admit their hopefulness is cute.

SaintsBro · 08-11-2012, 07:59 AM

Mike Nolan is the son of Dick Nolan, doesn't surprise me that he leaves defenses worse than we he found them, he will never be the answer in Atlanta. If you're gonna hire the son of an NFL coach, hire a Lombardi like we did. 'Nuff said.

atltillidie · 08-11-2012, 09:02 AM

I saw some great improvement of our defense two days ago. We finally got a better pass rush and some better pass coverage.

Vrillon82 · 08-11-2012, 09:41 AM

I dont know how much Atl has improved.

I just know I wouldnt put much stock into 1 preseason game.

I was watching some of the early highlights of the Atl/Bal game though, I dont think Baltimore was really prepared to start out that game, they wasnt the Defense we are use to seeing out of the Ravens, plus on the JJ TD, where was Ed Reed? BENCH. Otherwise that would of been an INT.

SaintKiller · 08-11-2012, 09:55 AM

Are you sure you guys wanted Spags because last time I was here it was alot of Mike Nolans fans here. Even saw this on the other Saint board.

Who would you want as the Saints' next defensive coordinator? - SaintsReport Community Forums

You guys dont have a pass rush, the only time Spags ever had one was in NY with elite pass rushers. Mike Nolan had a top 10 D with 8 rookies I believe and they were one of the best last year on 3rd down.

08-11-2012, 12:05 AM	#1
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Atlanta game Originally Posted by pherein yeah but your defense was already ok. Your missing the point. Nolan is not stoping the NO offense, and with sprags now Ryan has to deal with pass rush. Like the giants,,, remember how that turned out? Ryans a pure timed pocket passer, we have been saying this for years. Knock him off his mark and he losses it. Well the one thing I see from Matt Ryan is I like to compare him to Tony Romo quite alot, they both got a tendency to just not make the right decisions when they pass the ball. Romos is a little different because its further down field, Ryan though is more of the short passer. Time after time, Ryan forces the ball to 1 player too much. Usually if it wasnt for Tony G, things would be alot worse. Romo does this just as much if not more. I think it comes down to Ryan not reading defenses and unloading the ball to a WR/TE that he should of not beee trying to get the ball to.
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08-11-2012, 12:35 AM	#2
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Atlanta game Originally Posted by Vrillon82 Well the one thing I see from Matt Ryan is I like to compare him to Tony Romo quite alot, they both got a tendency to just not make the right decisions when they pass the ball. Romos is a little different because its further down field, Ryan though is more of the short passer. Time after time, Ryan forces the ball to 1 player too much. Usually if it wasnt for Tony G, things would be alot worse. Romo does this just as much if not more. I think it comes down to Ryan not reading defenses and unloading the ball to a WR/TE that he should of not beee trying to get the ball to. I can live with that. Thats a good opinion. If you watch the leader boards both QB's are up and down the charts. 2011 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards - Pro-Football-Reference.com Ive more seen Romo as a gunslinger. More of the Farve type, but I understand where you are going with this. They both follow mental patterns when they panicked. Like farve in 2009. Your are right Ryan always tries to hit Tony when he looses it. Problem is, TG is good and made him look good, and I can remember when we could not cover him, but now we can. We know Ryan is a timed pocket passer. Granted if the right team was around him, he could win. But Ryan is not someone that can pull this off on his own like a Brady or PM, or even Rivers. He just doesnt have that ability. He cant do it without a team, like Smith, only Ryan is way better than Smith. Im not seeing the team he needs in Atlanta, are you? for 1 Ryan needs a better OL than we have to succeed. A defense at top 5. A run game at top 5, and White not being the leader in drops in the NFL. Its just common sense. If Ryan is not "Comfortable" he can't do it.
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08-11-2012, 04:24 AM	#3
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Atlanta game Originally Posted by pherein I can live with that. Thats a good opinion. If you watch the leader boards both QB's are up and down the charts. 2011 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards - Pro-Football-Reference.com Ive more seen Romo as a gunslinger. More of the Farve type, but I understand where you are going with this. They both follow mental patterns when they panicked. Like farve in 2009. Your are right Ryan always tries to hit Tony when he looses it. Problem is, TG is good and made him look good, and I can remember when we could not cover him, but now we can. We know Ryan is a timed pocket passer. Granted if the right team was around him, he could win. But Ryan is not someone that can pull this off on his own like a Brady or PM, or even Rivers. He just doesnt have that ability. He cant do it without a team, like Smith, only Ryan is way better than Smith. Im not seeing the team he needs in Atlanta, are you? for 1 Ryan needs a better OL than we have to succeed. A defense at top 5. A run game at top 5, and White not being the leader in drops in the NFL. Its just common sense. If Ryan is not "Comfortable" he can't do it. I am not seeing players on that offense with multiple skill sets, I do see a team on that offense that is built with some decent talent , but the weak link is Matt Ryan due to his decision making and lack of arm I guess. I dont know if this has ever been covered, But I question what kind of stats does Ryan have when he has had to throw 25-30 times a game or more? I know I have seen some games like this and I believe his Comp % is somewhere in the 50s, dont quote me on that though. With that said, I think some players are playing short a full deck of cards to, most people was ready to say Roddy White is a top WR in the NFL, I am not even sure hes the top WR on his own team. This is an argument I have made over time as it relates to the Julio Jones draft choice now. The argument is this, why did they draft Julio Jones when Roddy White is pretty much the same breed as Jones? You dont hardly see White as a route runner, hes a down field Gunner, every play you see him make is this with the exception being the red zone on some occasions, this is why Tony G has so many TDs though, because no one but him gets open in the red zone, but this is what they drafted Julio Jones for was a gunner, which made absolutely no sense, now you got 2 deep threats and a QB who cant throw over 40 yards. I dont know who their other WR is, I guess its Harry Douglas, hes someone who has done nothing outside his Rookie season. If Tony G declines or decides to hang it up, they are in deep doo doo.
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08-11-2012, 12:18 AM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Atlanta game Mike Nolan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com Over his career Nolan usually has left a defense worse off than when he found it. The Giants were worse The Redskins were worse The Jets, he only had one season but they had no noticeable improvement The Ravens he improved from 19th to 6th in points allowed but as a coincidence, that's when Ed Reed joined the team and the year before Ray Lewis was out on a murder trial. The 49ers were bad when he got there and they were bad when he left. The Broncos got better the year he was there and then continued to get even better after he left. And Miami's defense did improve last year from the year before. pherein likes this.

08-11-2012, 01:14 AM	#5
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Atlanta game Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Mike Nolan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com Over his career Nolan usually has left a defense worse off than when he found it. The Giants were worse The Redskins were worse The Jets, he only had one season but they had no noticeable improvement The Ravens he improved from 19th to 6th in points allowed but as a coincidence, that's when Ed Reed joined the team and the year before Ray Lewis was out on a murder trial. The 49ers were bad when he got there and they were bad when he left. The Broncos got better the year he was there and then continued to get even better after he left. And Miami's defense did improve last year from the year before. I looked at the same stats. I have no idea why Falcon fans think Nolan is a game changer or Dirk Koetter as OC. He was OC of the Jags. Give me a break, and calls Ryan a top 10 QB. Im sure hes never worked with a top 5 QB in his life.

08-11-2012, 01:19 AM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,076	Re: Atlanta game Originally Posted by pherein I looked at the same stats. I have no idea why Falcon fans think Nolan is a game changer or Dirk Koetter as OC. He was OC of the Jags. Give me a break, and calls Ryan a top 10 QB. Im sure hes never worked with a top 5 QB in his life. Have to admit their hopefulness is cute.
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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Atlanta game Mike Nolan is the son of Dick Nolan, doesn't surprise me that he leaves defenses worse than we he found them, he will never be the answer in Atlanta. If you're gonna hire the son of an NFL coach, hire a Lombardi like we did. 'Nuff said.

08-11-2012, 09:02 AM	#8
atltillidie 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 432	Re: Atlanta game I saw some great improvement of our defense two days ago. We finally got a better pass rush and some better pass coverage.

08-11-2012, 09:41 AM	#9
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Atlanta game I dont know how much Atl has improved. I just know I wouldnt put much stock into 1 preseason game. I was watching some of the early highlights of the Atl/Bal game though, I dont think Baltimore was really prepared to start out that game, they wasnt the Defense we are use to seeing out of the Ravens, plus on the JJ TD, where was Ed Reed? BENCH. Otherwise that would of been an INT.
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08-11-2012, 09:55 AM	#10
SaintKiller 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 124	Re: Atlanta game Are you sure you guys wanted Spags because last time I was here it was alot of Mike Nolans fans here. Even saw this on the other Saint board. Who would you want as the Saints' next defensive coordinator? - SaintsReport Community Forums You guys dont have a pass rush, the only time Spags ever had one was in NY with elite pass rushers. Mike Nolan had a top 10 D with 8 rookies I believe and they were one of the best last year on 3rd down.

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