Mark Ingram's Woes

TheOak · 09-27-2012, 08:14 AM

Ingram is getting beat up because his productivity is down... A few reasons why it is down this year.

Ingram's issues of his own making - Has yet to prove that he can pass block or pick up on the blitz. This is his problem he needs to fix to get on the field more.

Ingrams issues of the Coaches making - Ingram has been in the game for 43 snaps this season and has run the ball 27 of those. That means 62% of the time if Ingram is on the field he is getting the ball and running it. That is the highest in the league... Defenses know, if Ingram is in he will probably get the ball... This is telegraphing and telling the defenses to key on him.

I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them.

Danno · 09-27-2012, 08:21 AM

Ingram is probably one of our better pass protectors.

Where did you get that from?

Let me guess... he missed one block this weekend and now he can't pass protect.

TheOak · 09-27-2012, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Ingram is probably one of our better pass protectors.

Where did you get that from?

Let me guess... he missed one block this weekend and now he can't pass protect.

Dont get sassy.

WhoDat!656 · 09-27-2012, 08:57 AM

I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them.

That is because Payton isn't calling plays this year.

TheOak · 09-27-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them.

That is because Payton isn't calling plays this year.

Which tells me the coaches are cruising and afraid to do what they know how to do. They are choosing the safe route.. "what they have done before", only the roadrunner doesn't fall for those tricks more than once.

We do not have to worry about losing our coaches to other teams... Other teams know they are too scared to use the creativity that they have.

At this point we should be going outside of the box... Fake punt on first down, Wide Receivers as corner backs.. no one is catching the ball on either side anyway, Shanle as full back, 3-4 or 2-5 defense... Mix it up.. Our problem is predictability.

Halo · 09-27-2012, 10:24 AM

I honestly root for the kid every-time he's on the field because we spent a 1st round pick on him and he's good.

That said, I think the Saints have no business drafting running backs in the 1st round. In fact, going forward, they need to ONLY draft d-line and and DB's. Only think on offense the Saints need to draft for the next 4 years are o-linemen.

Loomis is so good at finding hidden talent, half our runningbacks are trades, undrafted/underrated players or late round picks.

Beastmode · 09-27-2012, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them.

That is because Payton isn't calling plays this year.

With Payton you could exspect the unexspected every game. That element of surprise is gone. Have to get out of this comfort zone. Onsides kick to start this week, I would have no problem with that at all. A fake field goal, something other than just going through the motions. I would not even run Ingram up the middle.

Beastmode · 09-27-2012, 09:26 AM

Without a doubt, way too predictable when he's in the game. Have to change that or we will see him getting stuffed for 3 yard losses as the season wears on. I'd like to see some FB help or a flee flicker to break the cycle up.

Marlboro Man · 09-28-2012, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Without a doubt, way too predictable when he's in the game. Have to change that or we will see him getting stuffed for 3 yard losses as the season wears on. I'd like to see some FB help or a flee flicker to break the cycle up.

You'll see him getting stuffed for 3 yard losses no matter what you do with him. Wasted pick and he ain't gonna do nothing.

Shoe. · 09-27-2012, 09:32 AM

I don't think I've seen us run a screen to Ingram.

I know PT is THE man regarding screen pass success in the entire league, not just on the Saints, but we really need some 'misdirection' to our play calling

09-27-2012, 08:14 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Mark Ingram's Woes Ingram is getting beat up because his productivity is down... A few reasons why it is down this year. Ingram's issues of his own making - Has yet to prove that he can pass block or pick up on the blitz. This is his problem he needs to fix to get on the field more. Ingrams issues of the Coaches making - Ingram has been in the game for 43 snaps this season and has run the ball 27 of those. That means 62% of the time if Ingram is on the field he is getting the ball and running it. That is the highest in the league... Defenses know, if Ingram is in he will probably get the ball... This is telegraphing and telling the defenses to key on him. I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them. AlaskaSaints and bobdog86 like this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-27-2012, 08:21 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Ingram is probably one of our better pass protectors. Where did you get that from? Let me guess... he missed one block this weekend and now he can't pass protect.

09-27-2012, 08:22 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by Danno Ingram is probably one of our better pass protectors. Where did you get that from? Let me guess... he missed one block this weekend and now he can't pass protect. Dont get sassy.

09-27-2012, 08:57 AM	#4
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them. That is because Payton isn't calling plays this year.

09-27-2012, 09:34 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them. That is because Payton isn't calling plays this year. Which tells me the coaches are cruising and afraid to do what they know how to do. They are choosing the safe route.. "what they have done before", only the roadrunner doesn't fall for those tricks more than once. We do not have to worry about losing our coaches to other teams... Other teams know they are too scared to use the creativity that they have. At this point we should be going outside of the box... Fake punt on first down, Wide Receivers as corner backs.. no one is catching the ball on either side anyway, Shanle as full back, 3-4 or 2-5 defense... Mix it up.. Our problem is predictability.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-27-2012, 10:24 AM	#6
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,854 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes I honestly root for the kid every-time he's on the field because we spent a 1st round pick on him and he's good. That said, I think the Saints have no business drafting running backs in the 1st round. In fact, going forward, they need to ONLY draft d-line and and DB's. Only think on offense the Saints need to draft for the next 4 years are o-linemen. Loomis is so good at finding hidden talent, half our runningbacks are trades, undrafted/underrated players or late round picks. mutineer10 likes this.

09-27-2012, 10:34 AM	#7
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 I alluded to the Saints letting opposing defenses know what we are doing in another thread. We have done nothing creative this year.. Defenses are not sitting back anymore against the Manning's, Brees's, and Brady's, they are coming after them. That is because Payton isn't calling plays this year. With Payton you could exspect the unexspected every game. That element of surprise is gone. Have to get out of this comfort zone. Onsides kick to start this week, I would have no problem with that at all. A fake field goal, something other than just going through the motions. I would not even run Ingram up the middle.
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09-27-2012, 09:26 AM	#8
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Without a doubt, way too predictable when he's in the game. Have to change that or we will see him getting stuffed for 3 yard losses as the season wears on. I'd like to see some FB help or a flee flicker to break the cycle up.
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09-28-2012, 02:15 AM	#9
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes Originally Posted by Beastmode Without a doubt, way too predictable when he's in the game. Have to change that or we will see him getting stuffed for 3 yard losses as the season wears on. I'd like to see some FB help or a flee flicker to break the cycle up. You'll see him getting stuffed for 3 yard losses no matter what you do with him. Wasted pick and he ain't gonna do nothing.

09-27-2012, 09:32 AM	#10
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Mark Ingram's Woes I don't think I've seen us run a screen to Ingram. I know PT is THE man regarding screen pass success in the entire league, not just on the Saints, but we really need some 'misdirection' to our play calling

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