Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )

winmill1 · 10-02-2012, 01:56 PM

Our system is not made to run. The Saints should Never ever draft a Rb. Our line is not a run block line. It is a pass block line like GB and New England. Bigger lineman aren't suppose to let anything in but also they don't make many big holes(because they fill them). It's not Ingram it's our line. When we have good rushing games it is only because the D is so worried about Brees beating them that they drop so many into coverage and that is why our play action and screen game is usually deadly. But when Brees is off and they don't feel threatend by the pass they can shut down both. Ingram could go to Houston right now and put up Arian Foster like numbers no doubt. That is not our game and that is why I scratched my head when we moved up to pick him. New England and Green Bay rarely take rb's that high. Usually any Nfl running back could play in our system. But Ingram is at an unfair advantage because when the d sees him they know it is up the gut. We need to mix it up with him. Just like we need to mix it up with Sproles. Sp would use Sproles 100 different ways and he rushed a lot more than he has this year. Just my opinion.

Rugby Saint II · 10-02-2012, 02:47 PM

We have a line that was built to pass protect. Maybe, just maybe the real culprit is Ben Grubbs...........the difference is maybe more than marginal compared to Nicks. I know he grades out well and our tackles suck.
Not all the off field distractions or the lack of a head coach or the lack of play makers on defense...........none of that factors into a crappy running game. It's the size of a hole for a RB to get through.

skymike · 10-02-2012, 03:57 PM

I cant believe a team with Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, and Darrin Sproles
cant just shove it down the other teams throat 60 minutes and eat up
the entire clock.

SmashMouth · 10-06-2012, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

I cant believe a team with Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, and Darrin Sproles
cant just shove it down the other teams throat 60 minutes and eat up
the entire clock.

Rell&Gold · 10-03-2012, 12:54 PM

I call BS! on Ingram facing to many 8-man fronts and defenses know what we're doing when he's in...Pocket Hercules is a ONE MAN show in Jacksonville and seems to have no problem running the ball...when everybody and their mother knows he's the only one running and catching

Danno · 10-03-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

I call BS! on Ingram facing to many 8-man fronts and defenses know what we're doing when he's in...Pocket Hercules is a ONE MAN show in Jacksonville and seems to have no problem running the ball...when everybody and their mother knows he's the only one running and catching

Pocket Hercules doesn't run behind our O-line.

Rell&Gold · 10-03-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Pocket Hercules doesn't run behind our O-line.

True but we were in the top 5 rushing last year right? (yes)
the only one who was wasnt averaging 4.0 yards a carry was your boy Ingram...It doesn't take sproles or PT 20 touches to get rolling

Danno · 10-03-2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

True but we were in the top 5 rushing last year right? (yes)
the only one who was wasnt averaging 4.0 yards a carry was your boy Ingram...It doesn't take sproles or PT 20 touches to get rolling

My boy?

Did Sean prefer Ingram over Ivory last year? (yes)
Does Kromer prefer Ingram over Ivory? (yes)
Does Carmichael prefer Ingram over Ivory? (yes)

So by "your boy" I guess you mean Payton, Kromer, and Carmichael's boy?

Budsdrinker · 10-04-2012, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

True but we were in the top 5 rushing last year right? (yes)
the only one who was wasnt averaging 4.0 yards a carry was your boy Ingram...It doesn't take sproles or PT 20 touches to get rolling

Goes back to tendencies on film. We tend to run 9 out of 10 times when Ingram is in compared to passing more when PT or Sproles is in the game. Big difference when defenses has to respect the pass instead of dead red run.

Budsdrinker · 10-04-2012, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

I call BS! on Ingram facing to many 8-man fronts and defenses know what we're doing when he's in...Pocket Hercules is a ONE MAN show in Jacksonville and seems to have no problem running the ball...when everybody and their mother knows he's the only one running and catching

But he also carries the ball 20 times a game. Ingram averages 8 carries. The same with Bush, all good RB's need 20 touches a game.

10-02-2012, 01:56 PM	#1
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Our system is not made to run. The Saints should Never ever draft a Rb. Our line is not a run block line. It is a pass block line like GB and New England. Bigger lineman aren't suppose to let anything in but also they don't make many big holes(because they fill them). It's not Ingram it's our line. When we have good rushing games it is only because the D is so worried about Brees beating them that they drop so many into coverage and that is why our play action and screen game is usually deadly. But when Brees is off and they don't feel threatend by the pass they can shut down both. Ingram could go to Houston right now and put up Arian Foster like numbers no doubt. That is not our game and that is why I scratched my head when we moved up to pick him. New England and Green Bay rarely take rb's that high. Usually any Nfl running back could play in our system. But Ingram is at an unfair advantage because when the d sees him they know it is up the gut. We need to mix it up with him. Just like we need to mix it up with Sproles. Sp would use Sproles 100 different ways and he rushed a lot more than he has this year. Just my opinion.
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426

10-02-2012, 02:47 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,179	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) We have a line that was built to pass protect. Maybe, just maybe the real culprit is Ben Grubbs...........the difference is maybe more than marginal compared to Nicks. I know he grades out well and our tackles suck. Not all the off field distractions or the lack of a head coach or the lack of play makers on defense...........none of that factors into a crappy running game. It's the size of a hole for a RB to get through.

10-02-2012, 03:57 PM	#3
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) I cant believe a team with Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, and Darrin Sproles cant just shove it down the other teams throat 60 minutes and eat up the entire clock. SmashMouth and SaintsBro like this.

10-06-2012, 01:27 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,961 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by skymike I cant believe a team with Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, and Darrin Sproles cant just shove it down the other teams throat 60 minutes and eat up the entire clock.

10-03-2012, 12:54 PM	#5
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) I call BS! on Ingram facing to many 8-man fronts and defenses know what we're doing when he's in...Pocket Hercules is a ONE MAN show in Jacksonville and seems to have no problem running the ball...when everybody and their mother knows he's the only one running and catching

10-03-2012, 01:00 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Rell&Gold I call BS! on Ingram facing to many 8-man fronts and defenses know what we're doing when he's in...Pocket Hercules is a ONE MAN show in Jacksonville and seems to have no problem running the ball...when everybody and their mother knows he's the only one running and catching Pocket Hercules doesn't run behind our O-line.

10-03-2012, 01:07 PM	#7
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Danno Pocket Hercules doesn't run behind our O-line. True but we were in the top 5 rushing last year right? (yes) the only one who was wasnt averaging 4.0 yards a carry was your boy Ingram...It doesn't take sproles or PT 20 touches to get rolling

10-03-2012, 01:20 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Rell&Gold True but we were in the top 5 rushing last year right? (yes) the only one who was wasnt averaging 4.0 yards a carry was your boy Ingram...It doesn't take sproles or PT 20 touches to get rolling My boy? Did Sean prefer Ingram over Ivory last year? (yes) Does Kromer prefer Ingram over Ivory? (yes) Does Carmichael prefer Ingram over Ivory? (yes) So by "your boy" I guess you mean Payton, Kromer, and Carmichael's boy?

10-04-2012, 02:37 PM	#9
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Rell&Gold True but we were in the top 5 rushing last year right? (yes) the only one who was wasnt averaging 4.0 yards a carry was your boy Ingram...It doesn't take sproles or PT 20 touches to get rolling Goes back to tendencies on film. We tend to run 9 out of 10 times when Ingram is in compared to passing more when PT or Sproles is in the game. Big difference when defenses has to respect the pass instead of dead red run.

10-04-2012, 02:34 PM	#10
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Rell&Gold I call BS! on Ingram facing to many 8-man fronts and defenses know what we're doing when he's in...Pocket Hercules is a ONE MAN show in Jacksonville and seems to have no problem running the ball...when everybody and their mother knows he's the only one running and catching But he also carries the ball 20 times a game. Ingram averages 8 carries. The same with Bush, all good RB's need 20 touches a game.

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