Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )

Rell&Gold · 10-04-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

But he also carries the ball 20 times a game. Ingram averages 8 carries. The same with Bush, all good RB's need 20 touches a game.

Thats a lie didnt PT just rush for 112 for 10 carries against the panthers

Rell&Gold · 10-04-2012, 04:11 PM

Excuses! Chris has 11 games w/ 10+ carries and avg.over 4.0 yac in all except 1 on the other hand Mark has seven games w/ 10+ carries and avg 3.6 a carry in all except TWO! (NYG) (IND) and Ingram might get a couple passes here and there while Ivory is 100% run...sooo why does Ivory produce more than Ingram?

Shoe. · 10-04-2012, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Excuses! Chris has 11 games w/ 10+ carries and avg.over 4.0 yac in all except 1 on the other hand Mark has seven games w/ 10+ carries and avg 3.6 a carry in all except TWO! (NYG) (IND) and Ingram might get a couple passes here and there while Ivory is 100% run...sooo why does Ivory produce more than Ingram?

Because Ivory runs at the line like his hair is on fire

But he also gets hurt more easily and puts the ball on the ground more, so there's a give and take with both of them

papz · 10-05-2012, 01:00 PM

The Steelers believe rookie RB Chris Rainey hasn't been effective so far because defenses know he's getting the ball on the rare snaps that he plays.

It's similar to the Saints' running-play "tell" with Mark Ingram. "There's a little alert that goes up," OC Todd Haley explained. "The key with him is that we have to get him into the flow of the offense at some point when everybody is comfortable. When he's making regular carries, maybe he won't be noticed as much." Rainey is averaging just 2.5 yards per carry and 6.8 per reception through three games.

Source: Beaver County Times

:sad face:

TheOak · 10-05-2012, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Excuses! Chris has 11 games w/ 10+ carries and avg.over 4.0 yac in all except 1 on the other hand Mark has seven games w/ 10+ carries and avg 3.6 a carry in all except TWO! (NYG) (IND) and Ingram might get a couple passes here and there while Ivory is 100% run...sooo why does Ivory produce more than Ingram?

Apples to Oranges

Ivory is a train, Ingram is a NASCAR, Thomas is a drifter, Sproles is... well a Sproles.

Ivory doesn't need a gap, I am surprised our OL doesn't have more spinal injuries when he runs. He reminds me of Predator with a helmet.

Ingram is being run like an Ivory and its a bad fit. He also doesnt have the patience yet, he tries to force it.

Thomas slides around what ever he comes across for the most part. Its a patient cut.

Sproles can cut on a dime and is not a tween the tackles runner. He accelerates like no one.

Watch Peterson run.. If Ivory would have the patience... He could match him.

Peterson runs a 4.4
Ivory a 4.42
Ingram 4.62
Shanle 4m2d11h

Mardigras9 · 10-05-2012, 01:56 PM

I question Ingrams vision and ability to make plays when the line fails. PT seems to have a better ability to make plays.

9thWardDesire · 10-05-2012, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this.

The same can be said about Ivory when he's in. Defenses KNOW it's a run....

SmashMouth · 10-06-2012, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

I cant believe a team with Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, and Darrin Sproles
cant just shove it down the other teams throat 60 minutes and eat up
the entire clock.

Danno · 10-06-2012, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Peterson runs a 4.4
Ivory a 4.42
Ingram 4.62
Shanle 4m2d11h

Where did you find these?

Ingram and Ivory both ran a low of 4.47 seconds at their proday.

I do like the Shanle rip though. Well played.

Shoe. · 10-06-2012, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Ivory doesn't need a gap, I am surprised our OL doesn't have more spinal injuries when he runs. He reminds me of Predator with a helmet.

Classic!! And I think you're totally right- if he had half of Peterson's vision, Ivory would be a much scarier RB indeed, cause no doubt he's got the power and the speed

10-04-2012, 04:06 PM	#41
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker But he also carries the ball 20 times a game. Ingram averages 8 carries. The same with Bush, all good RB's need 20 touches a game. Thats a lie didnt PT just rush for 112 for 10 carries against the panthers

10-04-2012, 04:11 PM	#42
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Excuses! Chris has 11 games w/ 10+ carries and avg.over 4.0 yac in all except 1 on the other hand Mark has seven games w/ 10+ carries and avg 3.6 a carry in all except TWO! (NYG) (IND) and Ingram might get a couple passes here and there while Ivory is 100% run...sooo why does Ivory produce more than Ingram?

10-04-2012, 05:17 PM	#43
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Excuses! Chris has 11 games w/ 10+ carries and avg.over 4.0 yac in all except 1 on the other hand Mark has seven games w/ 10+ carries and avg 3.6 a carry in all except TWO! (NYG) (IND) and Ingram might get a couple passes here and there while Ivory is 100% run...sooo why does Ivory produce more than Ingram? Because Ivory runs at the line like his hair is on fire But he also gets hurt more easily and puts the ball on the ground more, so there's a give and take with both of them Beastmode likes this.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) The Steelers believe rookie RB Chris Rainey hasn't been effective so far because defenses know he's getting the ball on the rare snaps that he plays. It's similar to the Saints' running-play "tell" with Mark Ingram. "There's a little alert that goes up," OC Todd Haley explained. "The key with him is that we have to get him into the flow of the offense at some point when everybody is comfortable. When he's making regular carries, maybe he won't be noticed as much." Rainey is averaging just 2.5 yards per carry and 6.8 per reception through three games. Source: Beaver County Times :sad face: TheOak likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Excuses! Chris has 11 games w/ 10+ carries and avg.over 4.0 yac in all except 1 on the other hand Mark has seven games w/ 10+ carries and avg 3.6 a carry in all except TWO! (NYG) (IND) and Ingram might get a couple passes here and there while Ivory is 100% run...sooo why does Ivory produce more than Ingram? Apples to Oranges Ivory is a train, Ingram is a NASCAR, Thomas is a drifter, Sproles is... well a Sproles. Ivory doesn't need a gap, I am surprised our OL doesn't have more spinal injuries when he runs. He reminds me of Predator with a helmet. Ingram is being run like an Ivory and its a bad fit. He also doesnt have the patience yet, he tries to force it. Thomas slides around what ever he comes across for the most part. Its a patient cut. Sproles can cut on a dime and is not a tween the tackles runner. He accelerates like no one. Watch Peterson run.. If Ivory would have the patience... He could match him. Peterson runs a 4.4 Ivory a 4.42 Ingram 4.62 Shanle 4m2d11h Rell&Gold likes this.
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10-05-2012, 01:56 PM	#46
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) I question Ingrams vision and ability to make plays when the line fails. PT seems to have a better ability to make plays. Rell&Gold likes this.

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9thWardDesire The Owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA (10/1/13) Posts: 791	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by Budsdrinker The difference like someone else pointed out is when PT is in they have to respect the screen pass, when Ingram is in 99% of the time it's a run up the gut and defenses know this. The same can be said about Ivory when he's in. Defenses KNOW it's a run.... Rell&Gold likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,127 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by skymike I cant believe a team with Pierre Thomas, Mark Ingram, and Darrin Sproles cant just shove it down the other teams throat 60 minutes and eat up the entire clock.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Peterson runs a 4.4 Ivory a 4.42 Ingram 4.62 Shanle 4m2d11h Where did you find these? Ingram and Ivory both ran a low of 4.47 seconds at their proday. I do like the Shanle rip though. Well played. Rell&Gold likes this.

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Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof ) Originally Posted by x626xBlack Ivory doesn't need a gap, I am surprised our OL doesn't have more spinal injuries when he runs. He reminds me of Predator with a helmet. Classic!! And I think you're totally right- if he had half of Peterson's vision, Ivory would be a much scarier RB indeed, cause no doubt he's got the power and the speed

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