Defensive brilliance or luck?

|Mitch| · 10-22-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by pumpkindriver

Now if we can somehow make life hard for Ol' PM out there in Denver,

At least Manning isn't the runner that Freeman is... Looked what happened to Rivers when we got the same amount of pressure...

FinSaint · 10-23-2012, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by pumpkindriver

Flashes of brilliance, yeah, but I"m seeing more flashes everyweek. We didn't sack Freeman, but we got pressure on him and made him run around a lot. Now if we can somehow make life hard for Ol' PM out there in Denver, we'll get one game closer to .500. Heres hoping the Broncos play like crap the entire game instead of just the first half.

The first half ended in a sack and the 4th and goal play where Jordan chased down Freeman should've gone down as a sack/fumble, like Spags said in the presser.

Personally, I can't choose either of the choices given, because I think it's a little bit of both. The defensive play may be improving, even though we need to see more games before coming to that conclusion, but I'm finding it very hard to believe that this years' defensive personnel as an unit can become a top tier defense. They need to make some key additions and key subtractions within the defensive personnel during the offseason, and then just maybe next year the defense will be much improved from the get go.

The good thing is that if the Saints' offense is clicking, they don't need a top tier defense to compliment them in order to win games - they just need the defense to make one more big play then the opposition's defense.

lumm0x · 10-22-2012, 05:53 PM

Our defense is atrocious for 58 minutes of these last few games. The decent 2 minutes save our lives and allow our offense to win it for us. It's painful to watch.

saintsfan1976 · 10-22-2012, 06:15 PM

One comment I heard was that players described Williams' system as "black and white" and Spag's as 'lots of grey area".

To me that means thought, not instinct is required more than before. Therefore, some players are struggling to make the right decisions, taking longer or just not making the right choice and being out of position.

Spags has drafted exactly two of our defensive players, helped sign one and brought over two as well.

My point is that this defense may take longer to develop than we thought.

TheOak · 10-22-2012, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

At least Manning isn't the runner that Freeman is... Looked what happened to Rivers when we got the same amount of pressure...

Rivers and Freeman are not the cerebral QB that Manning is. If our D is 1/2 inch out of position he will exploit it.

saintsfan1976 · 10-22-2012, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Rivers and Freeman are not the cerebral QB that Manning is. If our D is 1/2 inch out of position he will exploit it.

Peyton's WRs being 2inches taller than our DBs is enough to give us fits.

We will have to play ball control like never before.

UK_WhoDat · 10-23-2012, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Rivers and Freeman are not the cerebral QB that Manning is. If our D is 1/2 inch out of position he will exploit it.

Our D getting to 1/2 inch out is an improvement of some 2 + yards.
zone defense, let's call it the Shellshock 6 ©, which somehow provides a mismatch AGAINST the Saints - be it a passing play or a rushing play.

TheOak · 10-23-2012, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

Our D getting to 1/2 inch out is an improvement of some 2 + yards.
zone defense, let's call it the Shellshock 6 ©, which somehow provides a mismatch AGAINST the Saints - be it a passing play or a rushing play.

Improved doesn't not = Good Enough LOL

I like the shellshock

Marlboro Man · 10-23-2012, 10:28 AM

It's like I said before the season started. This team was built to be a blitzing, man to man cover team. Those are the kinds of players we have. I said before the season that I didn't see how all of a sudden we were going to take man to man corners, blitzing safties and linebackers and make them into a zone coverage, four down lineman rush team when they have shown over 6 years that they are not capable of playing zone on the back end and not capable of producing a pass rush from the front 4 without blitzing a safety or linebacker, and here we are. We're making a play here and there over the last 3 weeks but I'm afraid that's not gonna be enough against Manning. I think we need to prepare to be shredded.

Ashley · 10-23-2012, 02:20 PM

We just don't have it up front. Thats the bottom line I say it's "B"

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10-22-2012, 04:54 PM	#1
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Originally Posted by pumpkindriver Now if we can somehow make life hard for Ol' PM out there in Denver, At least Manning isn't the runner that Freeman is... Looked what happened to Rivers when we got the same amount of pressure...

10-23-2012, 06:12 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Originally Posted by pumpkindriver Flashes of brilliance, yeah, but I"m seeing more flashes everyweek. We didn't sack Freeman, but we got pressure on him and made him run around a lot. Now if we can somehow make life hard for Ol' PM out there in Denver, we'll get one game closer to .500. Heres hoping the Broncos play like crap the entire game instead of just the first half. The first half ended in a sack and the 4th and goal play where Jordan chased down Freeman should've gone down as a sack/fumble, like Spags said in the presser. Personally, I can't choose either of the choices given, because I think it's a little bit of both. The defensive play may be improving, even though we need to see more games before coming to that conclusion, but I'm finding it very hard to believe that this years' defensive personnel as an unit can become a top tier defense. They need to make some key additions and key subtractions within the defensive personnel during the offseason, and then just maybe next year the defense will be much improved from the get go. The good thing is that if the Saints' offense is clicking, they don't need a top tier defense to compliment them in order to win games - they just need the defense to make one more big play then the opposition's defense.
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10-22-2012, 05:53 PM	#3
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Our defense is atrocious for 58 minutes of these last few games. The decent 2 minutes save our lives and allow our offense to win it for us. It's painful to watch.

10-22-2012, 06:15 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? One comment I heard was that players described Williams' system as "black and white" and Spag's as 'lots of grey area". To me that means thought, not instinct is required more than before. Therefore, some players are struggling to make the right decisions, taking longer or just not making the right choice and being out of position. Spags has drafted exactly two of our defensive players, helped sign one and brought over two as well. My point is that this defense may take longer to develop than we thought.

10-22-2012, 06:16 PM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| At least Manning isn't the runner that Freeman is... Looked what happened to Rivers when we got the same amount of pressure... Rivers and Freeman are not the cerebral QB that Manning is. If our D is 1/2 inch out of position he will exploit it.

10-22-2012, 07:38 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Rivers and Freeman are not the cerebral QB that Manning is. If our D is 1/2 inch out of position he will exploit it. Peyton's WRs being 2inches taller than our DBs is enough to give us fits. We will have to play ball control like never before.

10-23-2012, 06:25 AM	#7
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,000	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Rivers and Freeman are not the cerebral QB that Manning is. If our D is 1/2 inch out of position he will exploit it. Our D getting to 1/2 inch out is an improvement of some 2 + yards. zone defense, let's call it the Shellshock 6 ©, which somehow provides a mismatch AGAINST the Saints - be it a passing play or a rushing play.

10-23-2012, 09:36 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat Our D getting to 1/2 inch out is an improvement of some 2 + yards. zone defense, let's call it the Shellshock 6 ©, which somehow provides a mismatch AGAINST the Saints - be it a passing play or a rushing play. Improved doesn't not = Good Enough LOL I like the shellshock

10-23-2012, 10:28 AM	#9
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? It's like I said before the season started. This team was built to be a blitzing, man to man cover team. Those are the kinds of players we have. I said before the season that I didn't see how all of a sudden we were going to take man to man corners, blitzing safties and linebackers and make them into a zone coverage, four down lineman rush team when they have shown over 6 years that they are not capable of playing zone on the back end and not capable of producing a pass rush from the front 4 without blitzing a safety or linebacker, and here we are. We're making a play here and there over the last 3 weeks but I'm afraid that's not gonna be enough against Manning. I think we need to prepare to be shredded.

10-23-2012, 02:20 PM	#10
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: Defensive brilliance or luck? We just don't have it up front. Thats the bottom line I say it's "B" saintfan likes this.

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