Why Is the Defense So Bad?

SmashMouth · 10-24-2012, 11:24 AM

Lack of talent for Spags' system...It will take a year or two ...

Shoe. · 10-24-2012, 11:41 AM

The article makes it sound like they're going to fire Spag after one season of poor production...

Really? Really?

I just feel like the guy deserves more of a chance to attract personnel that can play the scheme he runs.

We're asking him to make chicken salad out of chicken **** and then complaining that it doesn't taste good

mutineer10 · 10-24-2012, 11:46 AM

Uh, all of those options, and probably a few more ...

Rugby Saint II · 10-24-2012, 01:55 PM

I feel that this has been a very informative thread. I appreciate the members that posted links for additional information.
We must get an impact DT whether through draft, trade or free agency. Our DE's are decent(even with Smith) but they are young and improving. If we could get some pressure up the middle everything else will eventually fall into place under Spags.
It may take another year to get this defense on track after we reevaluate our team. Shanle,Smith, Ellis and Bunkley are all over paid and need to be released so we can bring in one or two impact players.

Joker · 10-25-2012, 06:19 AM

Not enough talent = Bad Defense

TheOak · 10-25-2012, 07:16 AM

Too many making way too many assumptions based on little or n logic. The talent for this defense has been assembled for a while based on Greg Williams. Spag's has had one years worth of draft/free agency. Spags is just working with what he was given.

Getting talent does not equate to GOOD. Look at Dallas, Eagles, Jets... How many times in the last 5 years have you heard the term dream team used in relation t those teams?

I will use Denver as an example. They ended up with Tebow, did they try to make Tebow work with their system? No they changed to a system Tebow could work with. We are using Williams personnel to try and run a Spags defense... Much like we are trying to make Ingram run like Ivory...

Its all just piss-poor talent management, and some people who cant let go of the way "they do it" for a way that might work.

I am in no way saying our players would be super stars on another roster.. i am just saying they might not be this bad.

Also I have said it before and will say it again.. Brady/Brees/Rogers didnt come right off the draft line and become super stars! They were coached.... Where in the hell is our development of these players?

I'm sure we have all said and heard "our players go someone where else and do better" haven't we? Its not because of the traffic on Canal Street... Its the specialty coaching that is not developing the players.

TheOak · 10-25-2012, 07:17 AM

Since there are some obvious items not listed in the poll like Linebackers and COACHING I do not have a viable option to vote on.

bobdog86 · 10-25-2012, 08:46 AM

I can't vote for just one, I thinks an equal smattering on just about all the choices. But maybe a little more so on the new scheme and D line. We can be decent coming off the ends, but up the middle can be subject. The game is won at the line of scrimmage.

CharityMike · 10-25-2012, 10:24 AM

One statement: "Worst defense since 1950 in yards given up"

Spags says stats don't matter..I beg to differ. This is embarrassing!

jeanpierre · 10-25-2012, 09:32 PM

Week 7 Film Review: Saints So-So on Defense - NYTimes.com

Andy Benoit points to the poor Saints Pass Rush and singles out Harper's struggles in space and bad angles of play...

View Poll Results: What Is/Are the Biggest Problems With the Saints' Defense?
Lack of Talent on Defensive Line	24	39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback	5	8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety	3	4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn	16	26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play	3	4.92%
Lack of Running Game, Puts Defense on Field to Much	10	16.39%
Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

10-24-2012, 11:24 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,782 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Lack of talent for Spags' system...It will take a year or two ... jeanpierre and pherein like this.

10-24-2012, 11:41 AM	#2
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? The article makes it sound like they're going to fire Spag after one season of poor production... Really? Really? I just feel like the guy deserves more of a chance to attract personnel that can play the scheme he runs. We're asking him to make chicken salad out of chicken **** and then complaining that it doesn't taste good jeanpierre likes this.

10-24-2012, 11:46 AM	#3
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Uh, all of those options, and probably a few more ... hagan714 likes this.

10-24-2012, 01:55 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,151	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? I feel that this has been a very informative thread. I appreciate the members that posted links for additional information. We must get an impact DT whether through draft, trade or free agency. Our DE's are decent(even with Smith) but they are young and improving. If we could get some pressure up the middle everything else will eventually fall into place under Spags. It may take another year to get this defense on track after we reevaluate our team. Shanle,Smith, Ellis and Bunkley are all over paid and need to be released so we can bring in one or two impact players. pherein likes this.
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10-25-2012, 06:19 AM	#5
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Not enough talent = Bad Defense

10-25-2012, 07:16 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Too many making way too many assumptions based on little or n logic. The talent for this defense has been assembled for a while based on Greg Williams. Spag's has had one years worth of draft/free agency. Spags is just working with what he was given. Getting talent does not equate to GOOD. Look at Dallas, Eagles, Jets... How many times in the last 5 years have you heard the term dream team used in relation t those teams? I will use Denver as an example. They ended up with Tebow, did they try to make Tebow work with their system? No they changed to a system Tebow could work with. We are using Williams personnel to try and run a Spags defense... Much like we are trying to make Ingram run like Ivory... Its all just piss-poor talent management, and some people who cant let go of the way "they do it" for a way that might work. I am in no way saying our players would be super stars on another roster.. i am just saying they might not be this bad. Also I have said it before and will say it again.. Brady/Brees/Rogers didnt come right off the draft line and become super stars! They were coached.... Where in the hell is our development of these players? I'm sure we have all said and heard "our players go someone where else and do better" haven't we? Its not because of the traffic on Canal Street... Its the specialty coaching that is not developing the players.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-25-2012, 07:17 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Since there are some obvious items not listed in the poll like Linebackers and COACHING I do not have a viable option to vote on.

10-25-2012, 08:46 AM	#8
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,485	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? I can't vote for just one, I thinks an equal smattering on just about all the choices. But maybe a little more so on the new scheme and D line. We can be decent coming off the ends, but up the middle can be subject. The game is won at the line of scrimmage. hagan714 likes this.

10-25-2012, 10:24 AM	#9
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? One statement: "Worst defense since 1950 in yards given up" Spags says stats don't matter..I beg to differ. This is embarrassing! hagan714 likes this.

10-25-2012, 09:32 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Week 7 Film Review: Saints So-So on Defense - NYTimes.com Andy Benoit points to the poor Saints Pass Rush and singles out Harper's struggles in space and bad angles of play...

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