Why Is the Defense So Bad?

halloween 65 · 10-27-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Bamm! There you go! And more coaches should have this attitude! Coach Payton has certainly been that way...

There was an article recently on "coach killers" , players, mostly quarterbacks, that can kill coaches' careers...

Spagnulo had better forget about who was signed to what FA contract, and who was picked Round 1 and get guys who can get after it!

The FA signing of Bunkley is starting to look like a gem; he really was disruptive on that goal-line stand and I think you live with the mistakes but you match him with Hicks!

Yes sir! Take Ellis out of the line up. In the secondary replace Jenkins with Quaddus at FS play Jenkins at SS rotating with Harper just to see if Jenkins can play at all if not trade him now, please!!

hagan714 · 10-28-2012, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by xan

What happened to the option for LB's? If the LB's are always in inferior positions, and can't cover a tight end, then what good is a pass rush or DBs?

ok get wilson of the bench and put him at lb

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Lack of talent for Spags' system...It will take a year or two ...

agreed this is still williams defense

Originally Posted by Boutte

One thing I like about Spagnuolo is that he isn't going to stand pat. His career is on the line here. He's already failed as the HC in St. Louis and failing as the DC would be a disaster for his career aspirations. The next step would be hoping for a decent college job. The guy is going to pull out all the stops.

i would have agreed earlier in the season. i think he is getting into a game by game rut. he is not making many changes during the game and seems unwilling to reverse his moves he made for a few players. front office?

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Yes sir! Take Ellis out of the line up. In the secondary replace Jenkins with Quaddus at FS play Jenkins at SS rotating with Harper just to see if Jenkins can play at all if not trade him now, please!!

i was thinking the same thing with jenkins. i would look to the draft for a solid tall cb with ball skills to move into the fs position. there will be som nice fa possible out there.

on paper this defense should not be sucking eggs as bad as they are. but they leave a lot to be desired.

the point i like is the time the defense stays on the field. the saints are still looking for a ground game to eat up the clock in the second half. been looking for that phase of the offense for years. but that point does not explain the poor play in the first half

jeanpierre · 10-28-2012, 11:08 AM

Jenkins has pretty much been a disaster at Safety; with his size, is it not to late to do a reclamation and move him to either strong safety or right cornerback and letting him play the slot in nickel/dime packages?

jeanpierre · 10-28-2012, 11:10 AM

And Akiem Hicks, if Ellis is not going to be signed again as a FA, wouldn't it be prudent to allow him more time to develop?

jeanpierre · 10-28-2012, 11:21 AM

It so embarrassing that the talking head shows are saying to take the QB facing the Saints each and everyweek...

Where's the heart?!?

jeanpierre · 10-28-2012, 02:31 PM

This is HISTORICALLY BAD...

Whether you're in Harper's, Ellis', Smith's, Shanle's, Robinson's, Jenkins' Camp(s) or not, we all can agree this is the worst defense we've ever seen...

Can Darren Sharper at least walk?

Danno · 10-28-2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This is HISTORICALLY BAD...

Whether you're in Harper's, Ellis', Smith's, Shanle's, Robinson's, Jenkins' Camp(s) or not, we all can agree this is the worst defense we've ever seen...

Can Darren Sharper at least walk?

Darren Sharper in 2010 was worse than any DB we had on the roster.

I'd imagine he hasn't gotten any better.

jeanpierre · 10-28-2012, 08:26 PM

Wondering if we'll see more rotation of the defensive line with the "altitude factor"?!?

jeanpierre · 10-28-2012, 09:20 PM

Hicks is really lookin lively on the line...

I know he got smashed on the double team, but he's really battling and starting to be disruptive...

Rell&Gold · 10-28-2012, 10:39 PM

This is why I laugh why wait till now to run the ball...SMDH we need a miracle

View Poll Results: What Is/Are the Biggest Problems With the Saints' Defense?
Lack of Talent on Defensive Line	24	39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback	5	8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety	3	4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn	16	26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play	3	4.92%
Lack of Running Game, Puts Defense on Field to Much	10	16.39%
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10-27-2012, 11:18 PM	#41
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Bamm! There you go! And more coaches should have this attitude! Coach Payton has certainly been that way... There was an article recently on "coach killers" , players, mostly quarterbacks, that can kill coaches' careers... Spagnulo had better forget about who was signed to what FA contract, and who was picked Round 1 and get guys who can get after it! The FA signing of Bunkley is starting to look like a gem; he really was disruptive on that goal-line stand and I think you live with the mistakes but you match him with Hicks! Yes sir! Take Ellis out of the line up. In the secondary replace Jenkins with Quaddus at FS play Jenkins at SS rotating with Harper just to see if Jenkins can play at all if not trade him now, please!!

10-28-2012, 09:33 AM	#42
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by xan What happened to the option for LB's? If the LB's are always in inferior positions, and can't cover a tight end, then what good is a pass rush or DBs? ok get wilson of the bench and put him at lb Originally Posted by SmashMouth Lack of talent for Spags' system...It will take a year or two ... agreed this is still williams defense Originally Posted by Boutte One thing I like about Spagnuolo is that he isn't going to stand pat. His career is on the line here. He's already failed as the HC in St. Louis and failing as the DC would be a disaster for his career aspirations. The next step would be hoping for a decent college job. The guy is going to pull out all the stops. i would have agreed earlier in the season. i think he is getting into a game by game rut. he is not making many changes during the game and seems unwilling to reverse his moves he made for a few players. front office? Originally Posted by halloween 65 Yes sir! Take Ellis out of the line up. In the secondary replace Jenkins with Quaddus at FS play Jenkins at SS rotating with Harper just to see if Jenkins can play at all if not trade him now, please!! i was thinking the same thing with jenkins. i would look to the draft for a solid tall cb with ball skills to move into the fs position. there will be som nice fa possible out there. on paper this defense should not be sucking eggs as bad as they are. but they leave a lot to be desired. the point i like is the time the defense stays on the field. the saints are still looking for a ground game to eat up the clock in the second half. been looking for that phase of the offense for years. but that point does not explain the poor play in the first half
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10-28-2012, 11:08 AM	#43
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Jenkins has pretty much been a disaster at Safety; with his size, is it not to late to do a reclamation and move him to either strong safety or right cornerback and letting him play the slot in nickel/dime packages?

10-28-2012, 11:10 AM	#44
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? And Akiem Hicks, if Ellis is not going to be signed again as a FA, wouldn't it be prudent to allow him more time to develop?

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10-28-2012, 11:21 AM	#45
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? It so embarrassing that the talking head shows are saying to take the QB facing the Saints each and everyweek... Where's the heart?!?

10-28-2012, 02:31 PM	#46
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? This is HISTORICALLY BAD... Whether you're in Harper's, Ellis', Smith's, Shanle's, Robinson's, Jenkins' Camp(s) or not, we all can agree this is the worst defense we've ever seen... Can Darren Sharper at least walk?

10-28-2012, 04:02 PM	#47
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by jeanpierre This is HISTORICALLY BAD... Whether you're in Harper's, Ellis', Smith's, Shanle's, Robinson's, Jenkins' Camp(s) or not, we all can agree this is the worst defense we've ever seen... Can Darren Sharper at least walk? Darren Sharper in 2010 was worse than any DB we had on the roster. I'd imagine he hasn't gotten any better.

10-28-2012, 08:26 PM	#48
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Wondering if we'll see more rotation of the defensive line with the "altitude factor"?!?

10-28-2012, 09:20 PM	#49
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Hicks is really lookin lively on the line... I know he got smashed on the double team, but he's really battling and starting to be disruptive...

10-28-2012, 10:39 PM	#50
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? This is why I laugh why wait till now to run the ball...SMDH we need a miracle

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