Why Is the Defense So Bad?

jeanpierre · 10-23-2012, 08:31 PM

This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis...

Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? | September

Tobias-Reiper · 10-23-2012, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis...

Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? | September

Loomis is an accountant. He just works the contracts.

jeanpierre · 10-23-2012, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Loomis is an accountant. He just works the contracts.

If that's the case, then who/whom are calling the shots on players that are brought in?

pherein · 10-23-2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If that's the case, then who/whom are calling the shots on players that are brought in?

well my understanding is we pay roll defensive talent scouts for college and NFL, but the DC decides who he wants and then cross checks with loomis on cap.

As an example
How to Rebuild the New Orleans Saints Defense | Bleacher Report
""""Next up on the defensive rebuilding checklist is adding playmakers. The Saints scouting department has to identify playmakers at all three levels; defensive line, linebacker and secondary."""

Haps Biggest Fan · 10-29-2012, 01:07 AM

Mickey Loomis is the GM of the team. The GM's job is not only to be an accountant, but, also the GM's job is to be the football brains and talent eval brains. Your GM is supposed to build your roster.

The Falcons brought Dmitroff in as GM back in 2007. His job was NOT to be "just and accountant" like Loomis, but also to be the talent evaluator.

Point is this: If Benson has Loomis as GM ONLY to be a bean counter, then, the Front Office is built wrong and Loomis has the wrong job.

The GM needs to be a FOOTBALL MAN who knows player personnel and knows how to build a roster. Since LOOMIS is NOT a football man, he should NOT be GM.

The Saints have a habit of putting non football people in important football jobs. I remember when the Saints hired an ex astronaut to be GM back in the 60s.

pherein · 10-23-2012, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis...

Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? | September

ITs is very possible that our defensive talent scouts really suck, as oppose to the offensive ones. I do agree that we have signed and drafted the wrong players on defense a lot.

For some reason all the brilliance seems to be on offense and we cant miss with players. While defense is consistent at under performing in most categories.

View Poll Results: What Is/Are the Biggest Problems With the Saints' Defense?
Lack of Talent on Defensive Line	24	39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback	5	8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety	3	4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn	16	26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play	3	4.92%
Lack of Running Game, Puts Defense on Field to Much	10	16.39%
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10-23-2012, 08:31 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis... Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? \| September Nemesis, Haps Biggest Fan and pherein like this.

10-23-2012, 09:15 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by jeanpierre This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis... Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? \| September Loomis is an accountant. He just works the contracts.

10-23-2012, 09:54 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Loomis is an accountant. He just works the contracts. If that's the case, then who/whom are calling the shots on players that are brought in?

10-23-2012, 10:01 PM	#4
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by jeanpierre If that's the case, then who/whom are calling the shots on players that are brought in? well my understanding is we pay roll defensive talent scouts for college and NFL, but the DC decides who he wants and then cross checks with loomis on cap. As an example How to Rebuild the New Orleans Saints Defense \| Bleacher Report """"Next up on the defensive rebuilding checklist is adding playmakers. The Saints scouting department has to identify playmakers at all three levels; defensive line, linebacker and secondary.""" Rugby Saint II likes this.
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10-29-2012, 01:07 AM	#5
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Mickey Loomis is the GM of the team. The GM's job is not only to be an accountant, but, also the GM's job is to be the football brains and talent eval brains. Your GM is supposed to build your roster. The Falcons brought Dmitroff in as GM back in 2007. His job was NOT to be "just and accountant" like Loomis, but also to be the talent evaluator. Point is this: If Benson has Loomis as GM ONLY to be a bean counter, then, the Front Office is built wrong and Loomis has the wrong job. The GM needs to be a FOOTBALL MAN who knows player personnel and knows how to build a roster. Since LOOMIS is NOT a football man, he should NOT be GM. The Saints have a habit of putting non football people in important football jobs. I remember when the Saints hired an ex astronaut to be GM back in the 60s. Nemesis and jeanpierre like this.
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10-23-2012, 09:21 PM	#6
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by jeanpierre This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis... Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? \| September ITs is very possible that our defensive talent scouts really suck, as oppose to the offensive ones. I do agree that we have signed and drafted the wrong players on defense a lot. For some reason all the brilliance seems to be on offense and we cant miss with players. While defense is consistent at under performing in most categories. jeanpierre likes this.
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