Mark Ingram's role becoming clear

11-25-2012, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Now I said myself in another post that the line woke up, and that helped. But Thomas was playing ok when he WAS getting the ball, whereas Ingram wasn't.

No PT wasn't.

burningmetal · 11-26-2012, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

No PT wasn't.

Yes, he most certainly was. He was grinding out every possible yard, where no one else was getting anything. Go back and watch some of these games. Or just decide in advance that you won't agree with anything I have to say, which seems to be the case. I could care less at this point. I'm not biased to any particular player, or players. I'm going by what I see. I don't care how old you are, or how much longer you think you've been watching football, I know what I see when I see it.

It has become futile to try to make a point around here, without some agenda getting in the way of facts. So before I blow up needlessly, let me just agree to disagree.

Crusader · 11-26-2012, 04:29 AM

I was really excited about Ingram when we picked him but right now he needs to sit. Ain't much happening when he gets the ball. I'd prefer to see Ivory get 20-25 touches in a game and se what that would do to our offense.

Danno · 11-26-2012, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Yes, he most certainly was. He was grinding out every possible yard, where no one else was getting anything.

KC - 1.8 yards per carry
GB - 1.6 yards per carry
SD - 3.3 yards per carry
TB - 2.5 yards per carry
ATL- 2.0 yards per carry
SF - 0.0 yards per carry

Those don't look like he was tearing it up.

TheOak · 11-26-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Yes, he most certainly was. He was grinding out every possible yard, where no one else was getting anything. Go back and watch some of these games. Or just decide in advance that you won't agree with anything I have to say, which seems to be the case. I could care less at this point. I'm not biased to any particular player, or players. I'm going by what I see. I don't care how old you are, or how much longer you think you've been watching football, I know what I see when I see it.

It has become futile to try to make a point around here, without some agenda getting in the way of facts. So before I blow up needlessly, let me just agree to disagree.

You are letting your passion distort the facts. Numbers are facts and PT had 1 good game where be broke a long run...

His specialty has been abandoned... When is the last time we ran a screen?

Danno · 11-26-2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You are letting your passion distort the facts. Numbers are facts and PT had 1 good game where be broke a long run...

His specialty has been abandoned... When is the last time we ran a screen?

Great point. Lost in all the Ivory/Ingram discussions is the fact that our best running back isn't getting many carries. Why?

As running backs go, neither Ivory nr Ingram hold a candle to PT's talents and skills.

Mardigras9 · 11-26-2012, 09:58 AM

And the screen game seems to have disappeared.

Jamessr · 11-26-2012, 10:17 AM

My opinion on our running backs
1. PT
2. Sproles
3. Ivory
4. Cadet
5. Collins
10. Ingram = Showcase for trade

burningmetal · 11-26-2012, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

KC - 1.8 yards per carry
GB - 1.6 yards per carry
SD - 3.3 yards per carry
TB - 2.5 yards per carry
ATL- 2.0 yards per carry
SF - 0.0 yards per carry

Those don't look like he was tearing it up.

I didn't say he was tearing it up. He was getting the only guy picking up the tough yards when we had to have a first down. And he was the only guy to have a 100 yard game, which was against carolina. Where was your man Mark Ingram at? The line was playing horrible, but who was the one guy doing anything? It was Thomas. If Ingram got the ball needing a yard, he got -1.

burningmetal · 11-26-2012, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You are letting your passion distort the facts. Numbers are facts and PT had 1 good game where be broke a long run...

His specialty has been abandoned... When is the last time we ran a screen?

Only one long run? And this matters why? Chris Ivory and Darren Sproles are the home run hitters. Of course Ivory has some power too, but Pierre is a grinder, and yes, a specialist in the screen game. Pierre is the one guy who seems to more often than not get what you need out of him. Couldn't say that about the other guys when things were bad.

I keep hearing Ingram apologists gripe about his amount of touches, but here's what they fail to realize. He leads the team in carries! He has 17 more carries than the second place guy, PT, yet Pierre has two more yards for the season. PT is averaging 4.5 a carry, and Ingram is averaging 3.7 YPC. Who does it sound like needs more carries?

And don't BS me. They've both benefited from better blocking of late, and yet Pierre still averages almost a full yard per carry more than Mark. Now again, I appreciate the improvements he at least seems to be making, but I'm going on the first year and a half of what he did. This thread started as a discussion about how people expect us to apologize to Ingram after just a couple of good games. If you're not trying to get me to kiss his butt, and you just simply ask what I think of his play in the last few weeks, I say it's been a lot better. But as far as saying that he has legitimized his being selected in the first round, I have to see more. Yesterday, nobody ran the ball very well.

11-25-2012, 11:08 PM	#31
Threaded by Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by burningmetal Now I said myself in another post that the line woke up, and that helped. But Thomas was playing ok when he WAS getting the ball, whereas Ingram wasn't. No PT wasn't.
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11-26-2012, 02:15 AM	#32
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Originally Posted by Danno No PT wasn't. Yes, he most certainly was. He was grinding out every possible yard, where no one else was getting anything. Go back and watch some of these games. Or just decide in advance that you won't agree with anything I have to say, which seems to be the case. I could care less at this point. I'm not biased to any particular player, or players. I'm going by what I see. I don't care how old you are, or how much longer you think you've been watching football, I know what I see when I see it. It has become futile to try to make a point around here, without some agenda getting in the way of facts. So before I blow up needlessly, let me just agree to disagree.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-26-2012, 04:29 AM	#33
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear I was really excited about Ingram when we picked him but right now he needs to sit. Ain't much happening when he gets the ball. I'd prefer to see Ivory get 20-25 touches in a game and se what that would do to our offense.

11-26-2012, 09:13 AM	#34
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Originally Posted by burningmetal Yes, he most certainly was. He was grinding out every possible yard, where no one else was getting anything. KC - 1.8 yards per carry GB - 1.6 yards per carry SD - 3.3 yards per carry TB - 2.5 yards per carry ATL- 2.0 yards per carry SF - 0.0 yards per carry Those don't look like he was tearing it up.

11-26-2012, 09:23 AM	#35
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Originally Posted by burningmetal Yes, he most certainly was. He was grinding out every possible yard, where no one else was getting anything. Go back and watch some of these games. Or just decide in advance that you won't agree with anything I have to say, which seems to be the case. I could care less at this point. I'm not biased to any particular player, or players. I'm going by what I see. I don't care how old you are, or how much longer you think you've been watching football, I know what I see when I see it. It has become futile to try to make a point around here, without some agenda getting in the way of facts. So before I blow up needlessly, let me just agree to disagree. You are letting your passion distort the facts. Numbers are facts and PT had 1 good game where be broke a long run... His specialty has been abandoned... When is the last time we ran a screen?

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11-26-2012, 09:38 AM	#36
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Originally Posted by TheOak You are letting your passion distort the facts. Numbers are facts and PT had 1 good game where be broke a long run... His specialty has been abandoned... When is the last time we ran a screen? Great point. Lost in all the Ivory/Ingram discussions is the fact that our best running back isn't getting many carries. Why? As running backs go, neither Ivory nr Ingram hold a candle to PT's talents and skills. Jamessr likes this.

11-26-2012, 09:58 AM	#37
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear And the screen game seems to have disappeared.

11-26-2012, 10:17 AM	#38
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear My opinion on our running backs 1. PT 2. Sproles 3. Ivory 4. Cadet 5. Collins 10. Ingram = Showcase for trade

11-26-2012, 05:43 PM	#39
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Originally Posted by Danno KC - 1.8 yards per carry GB - 1.6 yards per carry SD - 3.3 yards per carry TB - 2.5 yards per carry ATL- 2.0 yards per carry SF - 0.0 yards per carry Those don't look like he was tearing it up. I didn't say he was tearing it up. He was getting the only guy picking up the tough yards when we had to have a first down. And he was the only guy to have a 100 yard game, which was against carolina. Where was your man Mark Ingram at? The line was playing horrible, but who was the one guy doing anything? It was Thomas. If Ingram got the ball needing a yard, he got -1.

11-26-2012, 05:59 PM	#40
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Originally Posted by TheOak You are letting your passion distort the facts. Numbers are facts and PT had 1 good game where be broke a long run... His specialty has been abandoned... When is the last time we ran a screen? Only one long run? And this matters why? Chris Ivory and Darren Sproles are the home run hitters. Of course Ivory has some power too, but Pierre is a grinder, and yes, a specialist in the screen game. Pierre is the one guy who seems to more often than not get what you need out of him. Couldn't say that about the other guys when things were bad. I keep hearing Ingram apologists gripe about his amount of touches, but here's what they fail to realize. He leads the team in carries! He has 17 more carries than the second place guy, PT, yet Pierre has two more yards for the season. PT is averaging 4.5 a carry, and Ingram is averaging 3.7 YPC. Who does it sound like needs more carries? And don't BS me. They've both benefited from better blocking of late, and yet Pierre still averages almost a full yard per carry more than Mark. Now again, I appreciate the improvements he at least seems to be making, but I'm going on the first year and a half of what he did. This thread started as a discussion about how people expect us to apologize to Ingram after just a couple of good games. If you're not trying to get me to kiss his butt, and you just simply ask what I think of his play in the last few weeks, I say it's been a lot better. But as far as saying that he has legitimized his being selected in the first round, I have to see more. Yesterday, nobody ran the ball very well.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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