Mark Ingram's role becoming clear

Crusader · 11-26-2012, 03:29 AM

I was really excited about Ingram when we picked him but right now he needs to sit. Ain't much happening when he gets the ball. I'd prefer to see Ivory get 20-25 touches in a game and se what that would do to our offense.

Mardigras9 · 11-26-2012, 08:58 AM

And the screen game seems to have disappeared.

Jamessr · 11-26-2012, 09:17 AM

My opinion on our running backs
1. PT
2. Sproles
3. Ivory
4. Cadet
5. Collins
10. Ingram = Showcase for trade

AlaskaSaints · 11-26-2012, 05:16 PM

Pete decided to change everything for this game and he did. He changed the winning strategy to a losing strategy.

I hope he changes it back.

I hate change.

Alaska

halloween 65 · 11-26-2012, 05:42 PM

Ivory looked like he was going to catch fire at times last night just to go sit down, I would have rode on his back the entire game then sub Ingram in for a breath or 2. In my opionion we have to many running backs and don't know what to do with them all, now someone can say thats not a bad thing but is it if you can't play them all properly, there are other positions that could definatly be addressed, I'm all for depth but damn!! I would play Sproles very sparingly, look, he's back and we get 60 yds, and when he's not 140 or so, figure it out, it's not working.

Rugby Saint II · 11-27-2012, 12:12 PM

Simply put Ingram doen't fit the system and therefore he was a bad pick. According to Payton he drafted Ingram because he promised his son that he would. It's right there in his book.

darstep · 11-28-2012, 04:14 PM

Someone needs to tell Ingram to be decisive.
Year two, he is still running up peoples back and stopping his forward momentum.
He won't get a 2nd chance in the NFL to get going again.
Pick a gap, stick your head in it, and drive forward!
Learn how to be happy with 3 or 4 until something breaks for him.
Break it outside if it's all stacked up, but do it quickly.
He still seams to be cutting his big boy teeth.
I hope he gets there sooner rather than later.

alleycat_126 · 11-28-2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

Someone needs to tell Ingram to be decisive.
Year two, he is still running up peoples back and stopping his forward momentum.
He won't get a 2nd chance in the NFL to get going again.
Pick a gap, stick your head in it, and drive forward!
Learn how to be happy with 3 or 4 until something breaks for him.
Break it outside if it's all stacked up, but do it quickly.
He still seams to be cutting his big boy teeth.
I hope he gets there sooner rather than later.

This offense stunts his growth as much as him just hitting the whole and getting the 2.2 yards per carry. Looks like Alabama backs need 20 touches per to notch good games. We don't have the carries for him to be a successful back, and we are all over the place with the backs we do have.

For me shipping 2 or even three backs wouldn't be out of the question if I could get one or two who I knew would be there healthy when I needed!!!!

SaintsBro · 11-29-2012, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

if I could get one or two who I knew would be there healthy when I needed!!!!

We tried that already, it didn't work, maybe you don't remember '10? That's a huge part of why Ingram is here. That's basically why the "3-headed monster" of Thomas/Bush/Bell in '09 has become the "four headed monster" of today.

Also, people tend to argue in circles about this stuff, I do like the discussion, it's fun. But I say, again and again, Mark Ingram is here for TOMORROW, not today. He is very likely going to be the guy who takes Pierre's place as workhorse back in 3-4 years. The same way Pierre was groomed to take the mantle over from Deuce. We're just not seeing it yet.

westbankdaze · 11-28-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He was given the same chance, and fumbled too much in practice and sucked at pass protection.

But since we're playing the hypothetical Ingram vs Ivory nonsense...

He'd probably have been placed on IR by week 6, have 3 fumbles, and Brees may have suffered a serious injury because of a missed block by Ivory, and we'd probably still be 5-5 heading into this game.

Ever the optimist. Haters just keep on hating.

His body of work extends long before this training camp and he has proven he can play pretty darn well.

To me it's clear that we jumped on an opportunity to get Ingram in the draft so we took it and but now everyone is trying to post rationalize his credibility when the numbers don't merit it.

11-26-2012, 03:29 AM	#1
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,049	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear I was really excited about Ingram when we picked him but right now he needs to sit. Ain't much happening when he gets the ball. I'd prefer to see Ivory get 20-25 touches in a game and se what that would do to our offense.

11-26-2012, 08:58 AM	#2
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear And the screen game seems to have disappeared.

11-26-2012, 09:17 AM	#3
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear My opinion on our running backs 1. PT 2. Sproles 3. Ivory 4. Cadet 5. Collins 10. Ingram = Showcase for trade

11-26-2012, 05:16 PM	#4
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Pete decided to change everything for this game and he did. He changed the winning strategy to a losing strategy. I hope he changes it back. I hate change. Alaska

11-26-2012, 05:42 PM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Ivory looked like he was going to catch fire at times last night just to go sit down, I would have rode on his back the entire game then sub Ingram in for a breath or 2. In my opionion we have to many running backs and don't know what to do with them all, now someone can say thats not a bad thing but is it if you can't play them all properly, there are other positions that could definatly be addressed, I'm all for depth but damn!! I would play Sproles very sparingly, look, he's back and we get 60 yds, and when he's not 140 or so, figure it out, it's not working.

11-27-2012, 12:12 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,182	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Simply put Ingram doen't fit the system and therefore he was a bad pick. According to Payton he drafted Ingram because he promised his son that he would. It's right there in his book. AlaskaSaints likes this.

11-28-2012, 04:14 PM	#7
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Someone needs to tell Ingram to be decisive. Year two, he is still running up peoples back and stopping his forward momentum. He won't get a 2nd chance in the NFL to get going again. Pick a gap, stick your head in it, and drive forward! Learn how to be happy with 3 or 4 until something breaks for him. Break it outside if it's all stacked up, but do it quickly. He still seams to be cutting his big boy teeth. I hope he gets there sooner rather than later.

11-28-2012, 07:49 PM	#8
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Originally Posted by darstep Someone needs to tell Ingram to be decisive. Year two, he is still running up peoples back and stopping his forward momentum. He won't get a 2nd chance in the NFL to get going again. Pick a gap, stick your head in it, and drive forward! Learn how to be happy with 3 or 4 until something breaks for him. Break it outside if it's all stacked up, but do it quickly. He still seams to be cutting his big boy teeth. I hope he gets there sooner rather than later. This offense stunts his growth as much as him just hitting the whole and getting the 2.2 yards per carry. Looks like Alabama backs need 20 touches per to notch good games. We don't have the carries for him to be a successful back, and we are all over the place with the backs we do have. For me shipping 2 or even three backs wouldn't be out of the question if I could get one or two who I knew would be there healthy when I needed!!!!

11-29-2012, 07:21 AM	#9
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram's role becoming clear Originally Posted by alleycat_126 if I could get one or two who I knew would be there healthy when I needed!!!! We tried that already, it didn't work, maybe you don't remember '10? That's a huge part of why Ingram is here. That's basically why the "3-headed monster" of Thomas/Bush/Bell in '09 has become the "four headed monster" of today. Also, people tend to argue in circles about this stuff, I do like the discussion, it's fun. But I say, again and again, Mark Ingram is here for TOMORROW, not today. He is very likely going to be the guy who takes Pierre's place as workhorse back in 3-4 years. The same way Pierre was groomed to take the mantle over from Deuce. We're just not seeing it yet. Shoe. likes this.

11-28-2012, 04:24 PM	#10
westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	Originally Posted by Danno He was given the same chance, and fumbled too much in practice and sucked at pass protection. But since we're playing the hypothetical Ingram vs Ivory nonsense... He'd probably have been placed on IR by week 6, have 3 fumbles, and Brees may have suffered a serious injury because of a missed block by Ivory, and we'd probably still be 5-5 heading into this game. Ever the optimist. Haters just keep on hating. His body of work extends long before this training camp and he has proven he can play pretty darn well. To me it's clear that we jumped on an opportunity to get Ingram in the draft so we took it and but now everyone is trying to post rationalize his credibility when the numbers don't merit it.
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