Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon

FinSaint · 11-27-2012, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Call me a homer all you like. You are just plain narrow of vision if you put it all on Drew. Had he taken another 5 sacks people would be screaming Drew wouldn't get rid of the ball..

Funny enough, I never said it was all Brees' fault that the Saints lost that game, but that he was probably the single biggest reason why it happened.

On the Brooks pick 6 play, Brees had a good pocket and no pass rusher in his face when he threw that ball, so it's really hard for me to blame any other player as much as Brees for that play and its outcome.

The pass pressure increased as the game went on, and that was directly correlated with the fact that the Saints once again pretty abandoned the run in the 2nd half as they were playing catch up for pretty much the whole 2nd half. The 49ers knew that the Saints were going to pass, and, therefore, they could dial up more pass pressure packages because of that. If the Saints would've gone into the halftime with a TD lead, things could've been very different in that aspect as well, because even if the 49ers would've scored on their first drive of the 3rd quarter, the game would've only been tied at that point and the Saints could've put up a drive themselves for the lead.

Now I know that's a lot of would've-could've-should'ves, but Brees made that costly mistake to end the 2nd quarter when he was not forced to do it by pass rushers and while he had clear vision of Brooks dropping back from the line of scrimmage to be in position to intercept any incoming passes. Maybe it was Brees' hubris of being able to make that difficult pass to where there were four 49er players and only one Saints or maybe there's another explanation, but that was an unnecessary and costly mistake he made, which changed the complexion of that game by a great deal.

TheOak · 11-28-2012, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Funny enough, I never said it was all Brees' fault that the Saints lost that game, but that he was probably the single biggest reason why it happened.

On the Brooks pick 6 play, Brees had a good pocket and no pass rusher in his face when he threw that ball, so it's really hard for me to blame any other player as much as Brees for that play and its outcome.

The pass pressure increased as the game went on, and that was directly correlated with the fact that the Saints once again pretty abandoned the run in the 2nd half as they were playing catch up for pretty much the whole 2nd half. The 49ers knew that the Saints were going to pass, and, therefore, they could dial up more pass pressure packages because of that. If the Saints would've gone into the halftime with a TD lead, things could've been very different in that aspect as well, because even if the 49ers would've scored on their first drive of the 3rd quarter, the game would've only been tied at that point and the Saints could've put up a drive themselves for the lead.

Now I know that's a lot of would've-could've-should'ves, but Brees made that costly mistake to end the 2nd quarter when he was not forced to do it by pass rushers and while he had clear vision of Brooks dropping back from the line of scrimmage to be in position to intercept any incoming passes. Maybe it was Brees' hubris of being able to make that difficult pass to where there were four 49er players and only one Saints or maybe there's another explanation, but that was an unnecessary and costly mistake he made, which changed the complexion of that game by a great deal.

See title of thread and OP. In your previous replies while you have not said it was ALL his fault, you have not referenced any other factors. I apologize if I drew the wrong conclusion.

On Hubris - That is an NFL QB, while Brees made a costly error in judgement he is no different from P. Manning ending the hopes of SB 44 by throwing a pick 6. By nature of the beast taking chances and fitting balls into tight spaces (thats what she said) is what differentiates a good QB from a great QB. The greater % of their passes in the NFL are into tight spots... its a gamble.. a crap shoot.. You walk away either brilliant or an idiot...

RailBoss · 11-27-2012, 07:57 AM

Brees brings the team to an advantage every game. He can't operate under constant pressure which Frisco brought to the table. I can't imagine the game result with Chase calling the signals. Who Dat!

Mardigras9 · 11-27-2012, 08:30 AM

Brees threads the needle with his passes more times than not. Sometimes he is going to be intercepted trying to. I don't fault him. If the pass was successful and we went down and scored before half, we all would have been on cloud 9. That's the game.

SapperSaint · 11-27-2012, 09:06 AM

Drew had a bad day. He has one every year. Not too big of a deal.

Did we need to win that game? Yes, we did. But I'm not going to focus on the loss as much as I am going to focus on the defense only allowing only 17 points.

That is something on the bright side.

Jamessr · 11-27-2012, 09:06 AM

I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense.
All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses.
So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees.

alleycat_126 · 11-27-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense.
All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses.
So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees.

That was the best D in the league. They did the same damn thing to Aaron Rodgers who for all intents and purposes is better than Brees and he had his full compliment offensive line and might I add in Lambeau. You are right. Brees stunk it up. You want a lollipop for dat. We complain about changing what we can change. Nobody here thinks Brees is faultless, but what's your alternative!!!! Defense played a hell of a lot better. But no way was it a f'n lights out performance. But they were gifted and interception on a busted play, never actually sacked Kapernick at all and couldn't get off the field for most of the third quarter. And for the person who ever it was who said the Saints D outperformed the Niners D...... are you smokin?

xan · 11-27-2012, 09:16 AM

I agree. We're a top 10 offense who:

Can't score in the clutch
Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time
Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series
Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives

TheOak · 11-27-2012, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by xan

I agree. We're a top 10 offense who:

Can't score in the clutch
Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time
Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series
Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives

5th highest scoring team in the league....
Oakland is the only team we beat by more than 2 TD.... No such thing as garbage points.
#2 in TDs means the offense scores TDs and we are not ranked 5th because of FG.
#1 Red zone scoring team

Obviously getting into the red zone is not needed, and we score from a distance better than nearly all. But when we get there no one is better.

We rank 13th in the league in 1st downs and 10th in the league in 3rd down conversions, also 10th in 4th down conversions, 12th in first downs per play...

So I ask, aren't your talking points fairly irrelevant? What we do is no where near as important as what we do in comparison to the rest of the league.

xan · 11-27-2012, 12:19 PM

We are 5 wins, 6 losses and we lost to the Kansas City Chiefs.

We lost 2 games after holding leads in the 2nd half.

We were never in the other 4 games, being down by > 10 points by halftime or by 1st possession of second half.

We're 30th in time of possession averaging 27:17, down nearly 5 minutes from last season.

Even worse, we're a poorer team at home than on the road, statistically speaking.

We get to the red zone as often as the Jets. and WE lost to the CHIEFS. Even Oakland blew them out. Nuff Said.

11-27-2012, 12:55 PM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by TheOak Call me a homer all you like. You are just plain narrow of vision if you put it all on Drew. Had he taken another 5 sacks people would be screaming Drew wouldn't get rid of the ball.. Funny enough, I never said it was all Brees' fault that the Saints lost that game, but that he was probably the single biggest reason why it happened. On the Brooks pick 6 play, Brees had a good pocket and no pass rusher in his face when he threw that ball, so it's really hard for me to blame any other player as much as Brees for that play and its outcome. The pass pressure increased as the game went on, and that was directly correlated with the fact that the Saints once again pretty abandoned the run in the 2nd half as they were playing catch up for pretty much the whole 2nd half. The 49ers knew that the Saints were going to pass, and, therefore, they could dial up more pass pressure packages because of that. If the Saints would've gone into the halftime with a TD lead, things could've been very different in that aspect as well, because even if the 49ers would've scored on their first drive of the 3rd quarter, the game would've only been tied at that point and the Saints could've put up a drive themselves for the lead. Now I know that's a lot of would've-could've-should'ves, but Brees made that costly mistake to end the 2nd quarter when he was not forced to do it by pass rushers and while he had clear vision of Brooks dropping back from the line of scrimmage to be in position to intercept any incoming passes. Maybe it was Brees' hubris of being able to make that difficult pass to where there were four 49er players and only one Saints or maybe there's another explanation, but that was an unnecessary and costly mistake he made, which changed the complexion of that game by a great deal.
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11-28-2012, 07:06 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by FinSaint Funny enough, I never said it was all Brees' fault that the Saints lost that game, but that he was probably the single biggest reason why it happened. On the Brooks pick 6 play, Brees had a good pocket and no pass rusher in his face when he threw that ball, so it's really hard for me to blame any other player as much as Brees for that play and its outcome. The pass pressure increased as the game went on, and that was directly correlated with the fact that the Saints once again pretty abandoned the run in the 2nd half as they were playing catch up for pretty much the whole 2nd half. The 49ers knew that the Saints were going to pass, and, therefore, they could dial up more pass pressure packages because of that. If the Saints would've gone into the halftime with a TD lead, things could've been very different in that aspect as well, because even if the 49ers would've scored on their first drive of the 3rd quarter, the game would've only been tied at that point and the Saints could've put up a drive themselves for the lead. Now I know that's a lot of would've-could've-should'ves, but Brees made that costly mistake to end the 2nd quarter when he was not forced to do it by pass rushers and while he had clear vision of Brooks dropping back from the line of scrimmage to be in position to intercept any incoming passes. Maybe it was Brees' hubris of being able to make that difficult pass to where there were four 49er players and only one Saints or maybe there's another explanation, but that was an unnecessary and costly mistake he made, which changed the complexion of that game by a great deal. See title of thread and OP. In your previous replies while you have not said it was ALL his fault, you have not referenced any other factors. I apologize if I drew the wrong conclusion. On Hubris - That is an NFL QB, while Brees made a costly error in judgement he is no different from P. Manning ending the hopes of SB 44 by throwing a pick 6. By nature of the beast taking chances and fitting balls into tight spaces (thats what she said) is what differentiates a good QB from a great QB. The greater % of their passes in the NFL are into tight spots... its a gamble.. a crap shoot.. You walk away either brilliant or an idiot...
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

11-27-2012, 07:57 AM	#3
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Brees brings the team to an advantage every game. He can't operate under constant pressure which Frisco brought to the table. I can't imagine the game result with Chase calling the signals. Who Dat!

11-27-2012, 08:30 AM	#4
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Brees threads the needle with his passes more times than not. Sometimes he is going to be intercepted trying to. I don't fault him. If the pass was successful and we went down and scored before half, we all would have been on cloud 9. That's the game.

11-27-2012, 09:06 AM	#5
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Drew had a bad day. He has one every year. Not too big of a deal. Did we need to win that game? Yes, we did. But I'm not going to focus on the loss as much as I am going to focus on the defense only allowing only 17 points. That is something on the bright side.

11-27-2012, 09:06 AM	#6
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense. All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses. So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees. FinSaint likes this.

11-27-2012, 09:35 AM	#7
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by Jamessr I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense. All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses. So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees. That was the best D in the league. They did the same damn thing to Aaron Rodgers who for all intents and purposes is better than Brees and he had his full compliment offensive line and might I add in Lambeau. You are right. Brees stunk it up. You want a lollipop for dat. We complain about changing what we can change. Nobody here thinks Brees is faultless, but what's your alternative!!!! Defense played a hell of a lot better. But no way was it a f'n lights out performance. But they were gifted and interception on a busted play, never actually sacked Kapernick at all and couldn't get off the field for most of the third quarter. And for the person who ever it was who said the Saints D outperformed the Niners D...... are you smokin?

11-27-2012, 09:16 AM	#8
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon I agree. We're a top 10 offense who: Can't score in the clutch Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives

11-27-2012, 09:43 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by xan I agree. We're a top 10 offense who: Can't score in the clutch Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives 5th highest scoring team in the league.... Oakland is the only team we beat by more than 2 TD.... No such thing as garbage points. #2 in TDs means the offense scores TDs and we are not ranked 5th because of FG. #1 Red zone scoring team Obviously getting into the red zone is not needed, and we score from a distance better than nearly all. But when we get there no one is better. We rank 13th in the league in 1st downs and 10th in the league in 3rd down conversions, also 10th in 4th down conversions, 12th in first downs per play... So I ask, aren't your talking points fairly irrelevant? What we do is no where near as important as what we do in comparison to the rest of the league.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

11-27-2012, 12:19 PM	#10
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon We are 5 wins, 6 losses and we lost to the Kansas City Chiefs. We lost 2 games after holding leads in the 2nd half. We were never in the other 4 games, being down by > 10 points by halftime or by 1st possession of second half. We're 30th in time of possession averaging 27:17, down nearly 5 minutes from last season. Even worse, we're a poorer team at home than on the road, statistically speaking. We get to the red zone as often as the Jets. and WE lost to the CHIEFS. Even Oakland blew them out. Nuff Said.
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