Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon

SapperSaint · 11-27-2012, 10:06 AM

Drew had a bad day. He has one every year. Not too big of a deal.

Did we need to win that game? Yes, we did. But I'm not going to focus on the loss as much as I am going to focus on the defense only allowing only 17 points.

That is something on the bright side.

Jamessr · 11-27-2012, 10:06 AM

I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense.
All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses.
So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees.

xan · 11-27-2012, 10:16 AM

I agree. We're a top 10 offense who:

Can't score in the clutch
Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time
Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series
Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives

alleycat_126 · 11-27-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Jamessr

I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense.
All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses.
So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees.

That was the best D in the league. They did the same damn thing to Aaron Rodgers who for all intents and purposes is better than Brees and he had his full compliment offensive line and might I add in Lambeau. You are right. Brees stunk it up. You want a lollipop for dat. We complain about changing what we can change. Nobody here thinks Brees is faultless, but what's your alternative!!!! Defense played a hell of a lot better. But no way was it a f'n lights out performance. But they were gifted and interception on a busted play, never actually sacked Kapernick at all and couldn't get off the field for most of the third quarter. And for the person who ever it was who said the Saints D outperformed the Niners D...... are you smokin?

TheOak · 11-27-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by xan

I agree. We're a top 10 offense who:

Can't score in the clutch
Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time
Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series
Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives

5th highest scoring team in the league....
Oakland is the only team we beat by more than 2 TD.... No such thing as garbage points.
#2 in TDs means the offense scores TDs and we are not ranked 5th because of FG.
#1 Red zone scoring team

Obviously getting into the red zone is not needed, and we score from a distance better than nearly all. But when we get there no one is better.

We rank 13th in the league in 1st downs and 10th in the league in 3rd down conversions, also 10th in 4th down conversions, 12th in first downs per play...

So I ask, aren't your talking points fairly irrelevant? What we do is no where near as important as what we do in comparison to the rest of the league.

FinSaint · 11-27-2012, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A lot of you are going to be damn tired..... If you jump on the hate wagon when Brees is blamed for a loss then you most certainly would have to jump on the love wagon when he is the reason we win?

Flip-Floping fkers...

I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits.

He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward.

But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now.

To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans.

xan · 11-27-2012, 01:19 PM

We are 5 wins, 6 losses and we lost to the Kansas City Chiefs.

We lost 2 games after holding leads in the 2nd half.

We were never in the other 4 games, being down by > 10 points by halftime or by 1st possession of second half.

We're 30th in time of possession averaging 27:17, down nearly 5 minutes from last season.

Even worse, we're a poorer team at home than on the road, statistically speaking.

We get to the red zone as often as the Jets. and WE lost to the CHIEFS. Even Oakland blew them out. Nuff Said.

TheOak · 11-27-2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits.

He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward.

But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now.

To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans.

Exactly... The offensive line preformed impeccably and it is all on him. Its his fault we had a 4th string tackle not protecting him. Its Brees fault he was sacked 5 times.. out of 41 attempts

We have played 11 games, Drew has been sacked 21 times this season... 1/4 of those were Sunday. The 49ers have 28 sacks on the season... 5 of those were Sunday... That doesn't count for the hits Brees took on another passes and being hurried most of the night.

It is one thing to harass a QB and hit him all night, its another thing to hit him and rush him when you have his receivers pretty damned well covered.

There is cause and effect here.... Not just bad decision making out of stupidity.

" The Saints offensive line was hit hard with the injury big, and hit even harder by the 49ers defense. Sure, the 49ers defense can make any top offensive line look foolish, but the Saints line got beat for five sacks, and allowed San Fran to harass quarterback Drew Brees all game. Brees being hurried for most of the time due to some bad O-line blocking led to some ill-advised passes."

49ers vs. Saints: New Orleans Biggest Winners and Losers from Week 12 | Bleacher Report

Call me a homer all you like. You are just plain narrow of vision if you put it all on Drew. Had he taken another 5 sacks people would be screaming Drew wouldn't get rid of the ball..

TheOak · 11-27-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by xan

We are 5 wins, 6 losses and we lost to the Kansas City Chiefs.

We lost 2 games after holding leads in the 2nd half.

We were never in the other 4 games, being down by > 10 points by halftime or by 1st possession of second half.

We're 30th in time of possession averaging 27:17, down nearly 5 minutes from last season.

Even worse, we're a poorer team at home than on the road, statistically speaking.

We get to the red zone as often as the Jets. and WE lost to the CHIEFS. Even Oakland blew them out. Nuff Said.

Yep... Nuff said. Your are virtually blind to reality if you don't see teams putting 500+ yards up on our defense and you blame the QB or Offense for Time of Possession. Opponents Time of Possession is directly related to their offenses being able to stay on the field at will.

News flash.. We are not any where near last in any scoring or offensive category... We are however dead funk1n last in letting offenses move about the field as though they were passengers on a cruise ship.

We are 45 yards PER GAME away from the 31st worst defense in terms of yards allowed.

foreverfan · 11-27-2012, 01:45 PM

Drew's the problem. No doubt.

11-27-2012, 10:06 AM	#31
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Drew had a bad day. He has one every year. Not too big of a deal. Did we need to win that game? Yes, we did. But I'm not going to focus on the loss as much as I am going to focus on the defense only allowing only 17 points. That is something on the bright side.

11-27-2012, 10:06 AM	#32
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense. All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses. So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees. FinSaint likes this.

11-27-2012, 10:16 AM	#33
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon I agree. We're a top 10 offense who: Can't score in the clutch Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives

11-27-2012, 10:35 AM	#34
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by Jamessr I don't get where anyone except for the guy in my quote said anything about giving up or trading Drew Brees. Although I want some people to admitt he ****ed up Sunday and don't try and blame it on defense. All Im saying is everyone around here will bad mouth any other player with no problem, however when Brees messes up most folks try and make excuses. So please people get of your moral high horse and stop putting words into peoples mouths. noone here is saying cut trade or bench Drew Brees. That was the best D in the league. They did the same damn thing to Aaron Rodgers who for all intents and purposes is better than Brees and he had his full compliment offensive line and might I add in Lambeau. You are right. Brees stunk it up. You want a lollipop for dat. We complain about changing what we can change. Nobody here thinks Brees is faultless, but what's your alternative!!!! Defense played a hell of a lot better. But no way was it a f'n lights out performance. But they were gifted and interception on a busted play, never actually sacked Kapernick at all and couldn't get off the field for most of the third quarter. And for the person who ever it was who said the Saints D outperformed the Niners D...... are you smokin?

11-27-2012, 10:43 AM	#35
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by xan I agree. We're a top 10 offense who: Can't score in the clutch Scores 30% of its points and 40% of its yardage in garbage time Can't make a 1st down on 25% of its series Gets into the red zone only 33 of 124 drives 5th highest scoring team in the league.... Oakland is the only team we beat by more than 2 TD.... No such thing as garbage points. #2 in TDs means the offense scores TDs and we are not ranked 5th because of FG. #1 Red zone scoring team Obviously getting into the red zone is not needed, and we score from a distance better than nearly all. But when we get there no one is better. We rank 13th in the league in 1st downs and 10th in the league in 3rd down conversions, also 10th in 4th down conversions, 12th in first downs per play... So I ask, aren't your talking points fairly irrelevant? What we do is no where near as important as what we do in comparison to the rest of the league.
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11-27-2012, 12:48 PM	#36
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by TheOak A lot of you are going to be damn tired..... If you jump on the hate wagon when Brees is blamed for a loss then you most certainly would have to jump on the love wagon when he is the reason we win? Flip-Floping fkers... I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits. He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward. But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now. To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans.
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11-27-2012, 01:19 PM	#37
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon We are 5 wins, 6 losses and we lost to the Kansas City Chiefs. We lost 2 games after holding leads in the 2nd half. We were never in the other 4 games, being down by > 10 points by halftime or by 1st possession of second half. We're 30th in time of possession averaging 27:17, down nearly 5 minutes from last season. Even worse, we're a poorer team at home than on the road, statistically speaking. We get to the red zone as often as the Jets. and WE lost to the CHIEFS. Even Oakland blew them out. Nuff Said.
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11-27-2012, 01:27 PM	#38
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by FinSaint I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing the guy when his performance warrants criticism... if the shoe fits. He is one of the single biggest reasons the Saints have been as successful as they have been since 2006, and he is very important to the future success of the team going forward. But, that doesn't mean that we should put him on a pedestal and not ever talk negatively about him. The bottom line is that he made some really costly mistakes in the game against the 49ers, and those costly mistakes probably ended up costing the Saints the win. That was the story this past Sunday, but it can as easily be the opposite after the Thursday night game against the Failclowns, and I'll be as ready to praise his performance then as I'm ready to criticize him now. To not criticize him after that Sunday is ultimately homerism and that type of behavior is only suitable to the likes of Failclowns' fans. Exactly... The offensive line preformed impeccably and it is all on him. Its his fault we had a 4th string tackle not protecting him. Its Brees fault he was sacked 5 times.. out of 41 attempts We have played 11 games, Drew has been sacked 21 times this season... 1/4 of those were Sunday. The 49ers have 28 sacks on the season... 5 of those were Sunday... That doesn't count for the hits Brees took on another passes and being hurried most of the night. It is one thing to harass a QB and hit him all night, its another thing to hit him and rush him when you have his receivers pretty damned well covered. There is cause and effect here.... Not just bad decision making out of stupidity. " The Saints offensive line was hit hard with the injury big, and hit even harder by the 49ers defense. Sure, the 49ers defense can make any top offensive line look foolish, but the Saints line got beat for five sacks, and allowed San Fran to harass quarterback Drew Brees all game. Brees being hurried for most of the time due to some bad O-line blocking led to some ill-advised passes." 49ers vs. Saints: New Orleans Biggest Winners and Losers from Week 12 \| Bleacher Report Call me a homer all you like. You are just plain narrow of vision if you put it all on Drew. Had he taken another 5 sacks people would be screaming Drew wouldn't get rid of the ball.. Boutte likes this.
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11-27-2012, 01:37 PM	#39
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Originally Posted by xan We are 5 wins, 6 losses and we lost to the Kansas City Chiefs. We lost 2 games after holding leads in the 2nd half. We were never in the other 4 games, being down by > 10 points by halftime or by 1st possession of second half. We're 30th in time of possession averaging 27:17, down nearly 5 minutes from last season. Even worse, we're a poorer team at home than on the road, statistically speaking. We get to the red zone as often as the Jets. and WE lost to the CHIEFS. Even Oakland blew them out. Nuff Said. Yep... Nuff said. Your are virtually blind to reality if you don't see teams putting 500+ yards up on our defense and you blame the QB or Offense for Time of Possession. Opponents Time of Possession is directly related to their offenses being able to stay on the field at will. News flash.. We are not any where near last in any scoring or offensive category... We are however dead funk1n last in letting offenses move about the field as though they were passengers on a cruise ship. We are 45 yards PER GAME away from the 31st worst defense in terms of yards allowed.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

11-27-2012, 01:45 PM	#40
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon Drew's the problem. No doubt. TheOak likes this.

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