Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value

lumm0x · 01-04-2013, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Pro football focus graded Harper out as the second worst safety in the NFL.

Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse?

Utah_Saint · 01-04-2013, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse?

Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168.

As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins.

Danno · 01-04-2013, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168.

As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins.

And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too
Lofton (104th MLB),
Vilma (100th OLB),
Ellis (118th DT),
Hawthorne (102nd OLB),
Greer (118th CB),
Robinson (193rd CB)

TreyThomas · 01-04-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too
Lofton (104th MLB),
Vilma (100th OLB),
Ellis (118th DT),
Hawthorne (102nd OLB),
Greer (118th CB),
Robinson (193rd CB)

Damn, this hurts more and more every time I read it.

Utah_Saint · 01-05-2013, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too
Lofton (104th MLB),
Vilma (100th OLB),
Ellis (118th DT),
Hawthorne (102nd OLB),
Greer (118th CB),
Robinson (193rd CB)

Yep, it's pretty amazing how bad these guys played. Dallas had 7 inside line backers grade out better than Lofton did. And we all thought Lofton was pretty good.

papz · 01-05-2013, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168.

As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins.

It's sad that found this hilarious.

Now while PFF player ratings seem to be the cream of the crop rating system these days, we still have to remember it's still subjective. We do not have the luxury of knowing the exact play call and the exact responsibility of each player on every play. Another player's ineffectiveness could greatly affect another player's rating w/o knowing any of this. Did they play bad, yes of course... we all know that. But the incompetence of the players in front of them definitely played a enormous role in Harper/Jenkins rating.

They're hardly as bad as where they are ranked.

Marlboro Man · 01-05-2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse?

Worse that what? or who? Harper? Except for that one play, you'd almost be able to say that Malcolm Jenkins didn't even play this year.

01-04-2013, 09:41 PM	#1
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value Originally Posted by westbankdaze Pro football focus graded Harper out as the second worst safety in the NFL. Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse? lee909 likes this.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value Originally Posted by lumm0x Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse? Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168. As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168. As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins. And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too Lofton (104th MLB), Vilma (100th OLB), Ellis (118th DT), Hawthorne (102nd OLB), Greer (118th CB), Robinson (193rd CB)

01-04-2013, 11:02 PM	#4
TreyThomas Registered Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 82	Re: Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value Originally Posted by Danno And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too Lofton (104th MLB), Vilma (100th OLB), Ellis (118th DT), Hawthorne (102nd OLB), Greer (118th CB), Robinson (193rd CB) Damn, this hurts more and more every time I read it.
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01-05-2013, 12:02 AM	#5
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value Originally Posted by Danno And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too Lofton (104th MLB), Vilma (100th OLB), Ellis (118th DT), Hawthorne (102nd OLB), Greer (118th CB), Robinson (193rd CB) Yep, it's pretty amazing how bad these guys played. Dallas had 7 inside line backers grade out better than Lofton did. And we all thought Lofton was pretty good.

01-05-2013, 07:02 PM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168. As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins. It's sad that found this hilarious. Now while PFF player ratings seem to be the cream of the crop rating system these days, we still have to remember it's still subjective. We do not have the luxury of knowing the exact play call and the exact responsibility of each player on every play. Another player's ineffectiveness could greatly affect another player's rating w/o knowing any of this. Did they play bad, yes of course... we all know that. But the incompetence of the players in front of them definitely played a enormous role in Harper/Jenkins rating. They're hardly as bad as where they are ranked.
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01-05-2013, 11:20 AM	#7
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value Originally Posted by lumm0x Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse? Worse that what? or who? Harper? Except for that one play, you'd almost be able to say that Malcolm Jenkins didn't even play this year.

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