Spags Released

Danno · 01-24-2013, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I've seen him blow too many assignments and drag the players around him down for too long to have any respect for him at the moment... but maybe that'll change once he's no longer "our" problem.

He was voted a team captain and defensive MVP by the players and had one very popular player (can't remember who) explain that a lot of those so called "blown coverages" by Shanle were not blown by Shanle at all.

He often recognized that someone else blew their assignment and he tried to recover for them, and was mistakenly blamed for a coverage he wasn't responsible for to begin with.

CharityMike · 01-24-2013, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I totally respect his opinion on X's and O's. Too bad he's about as physically gifted as a punter.

saintsfan403 · 01-24-2013, 06:33 PM

Most mock drafts I've seen have Mingo going top 10, think we have a realistic shot at him?

mighty12 · 01-24-2013, 06:50 PM

it could be that Sean had a lot of time to do research and found that teams that run the 3-4 include the Green Bay Packers, Baltimore Ravens, Indianapolis Colts, San Francisco 49ers, Washington Redskins, and Houston Texans. That is half of the playoff teams, to include the two super bowl contenders.

Boutte · 01-24-2013, 07:09 PM

Let's not gloss over the other good news, Flajoe was also fired. Other than 09 when was the last time our defensive backs looked anything but lost?

And maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it seems to me that if a DB is athletic enough to play man to man there's no reason playing a zone should be any problem for him.

I guess going to a 3-4 means that we're not going to need as many defensive linemen but we're going to need more LBs? Seems like we've already had a problem finding quality players at that position. (Not that we're overflowing with linemen)

RockyMountainSaint · 01-24-2013, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Let's not gloss over the other good news, Flajoe was also fired. Other than 09 when was the last time our defensive backs looked anything but lost?

And maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it seems to me that if a DB is athletic enough to play man to man there's no reason playing a zone should be any problem for him.

I guess going to a 3-4 means that we're not going to need as many defensive linemen but we're going to need more LBs? Seems like we've already had a problem finding quality players at that position. (Not that we're overflowing with linemen)

This is a very intriguing post.......
Well done Boutte.

CharityMike · 01-24-2013, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Let's not gloss over the other good news, Flajoe was also fired. Other than 09 when was the last time our defensive backs looked anything but lost?

And maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it seems to me that if a DB is athletic enough to play man to man there's no reason playing a zone should be any problem for him.

I guess going to a 3-4 means that we're not going to need as many defensive linemen but we're going to need more LBs? Seems like we've already had a problem finding quality players at that position. (Not that we're overflowing with linemen)

One example..Jason David.

He was a zone CB trying to play man. Epic failure. There is a difference apparently, I just don't know what.

Boutte · 01-24-2013, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

One example..Jason David.

He was a zone CB trying to play man. Epic failure. There is a difference apparently, I just don't know what.

Well yeah but the difference is that a DB who isn't particularly athletic can could still play in a zone by being smart and letting the system work for him. The reverse doesn't really apply.

Another question, what happens with a 3-4 when you go to the nickle. Any difference?

spkb25 · 01-25-2013, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Boutte

Well yeah but the difference is that a DB who isn't particularly athletic can could still play in a zone by being smart and letting the system work for him. The reverse doesn't really apply.

Another question, what happens with a 3-4 when you go to the nickle. Any difference?

Plus I don't like short corners. Really don't.

Danno · 01-24-2013, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

And maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it seems to me that if a DB is athletic enough to play man to man there's no reason playing a zone should be any problem for him.

Totally different skillset. Man CB's play the WR from snap till whistle. They rarely look into the backfield and shadow their man, reading his routes, positioning himself between the QB, etc

A zone CB plays a lot more like a safety in that they're typically looking into the backfield and playing a specific zone. They're much more concerned about who's coming into and out of their area of the field than one specific man they're covering.

Obviously there's some overlap but basically its different enough to matter.

01-24-2013, 06:52 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Spags Released Originally Posted by FinSaint I've seen him blow too many assignments and drag the players around him down for too long to have any respect for him at the moment... but maybe that'll change once he's no longer "our" problem. He was voted a team captain and defensive MVP by the players and had one very popular player (can't remember who) explain that a lot of those so called "blown coverages" by Shanle were not blown by Shanle at all. He often recognized that someone else blew their assignment and he tried to recover for them, and was mistakenly blamed for a coverage he wasn't responsible for to begin with. Boutte likes this.

01-24-2013, 06:42 PM	#2
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Spags Released Originally Posted by Danno I totally respect his opinion on X's and O's. Too bad he's about as physically gifted as a punter.

01-24-2013, 06:33 PM	#3
saintsfan403 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: WHO DAT NATION Posts: 2,261	Re: Spags Released Most mock drafts I've seen have Mingo going top 10, think we have a realistic shot at him?

01-24-2013, 06:50 PM	#4
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Spags Released it could be that Sean had a lot of time to do research and found that teams that run the 3-4 include the Green Bay Packers, Baltimore Ravens, Indianapolis Colts, San Francisco 49ers, Washington Redskins, and Houston Texans. That is half of the playoff teams, to include the two super bowl contenders.

01-24-2013, 07:09 PM	#5
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Spags Released Let's not gloss over the other good news, Flajoe was also fired. Other than 09 when was the last time our defensive backs looked anything but lost? And maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it seems to me that if a DB is athletic enough to play man to man there's no reason playing a zone should be any problem for him. I guess going to a 3-4 means that we're not going to need as many defensive linemen but we're going to need more LBs? Seems like we've already had a problem finding quality players at that position. (Not that we're overflowing with linemen) SloMotion and saintsfan403 like this.

01-24-2013, 07:16 PM	#6
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Spags Released Originally Posted by Boutte Let's not gloss over the other good news, Flajoe was also fired. Other than 09 when was the last time our defensive backs looked anything but lost? And maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it seems to me that if a DB is athletic enough to play man to man there's no reason playing a zone should be any problem for him. I guess going to a 3-4 means that we're not going to need as many defensive linemen but we're going to need more LBs? Seems like we've already had a problem finding quality players at that position. (Not that we're overflowing with linemen) This is a very intriguing post....... Well done Boutte.

01-24-2013, 07:25 PM	#7
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Spags Released Originally Posted by Boutte Let's not gloss over the other good news, Flajoe was also fired. Other than 09 when was the last time our defensive backs looked anything but lost? And maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it seems to me that if a DB is athletic enough to play man to man there's no reason playing a zone should be any problem for him. I guess going to a 3-4 means that we're not going to need as many defensive linemen but we're going to need more LBs? Seems like we've already had a problem finding quality players at that position. (Not that we're overflowing with linemen) One example..Jason David. He was a zone CB trying to play man. Epic failure. There is a difference apparently, I just don't know what. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

01-24-2013, 07:40 PM	#8
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Spags Released Originally Posted by CharityMike One example..Jason David. He was a zone CB trying to play man. Epic failure. There is a difference apparently, I just don't know what. Well yeah but the difference is that a DB who isn't particularly athletic can could still play in a zone by being smart and letting the system work for him. The reverse doesn't really apply. Another question, what happens with a 3-4 when you go to the nickle. Any difference?

01-25-2013, 04:48 AM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Spags Released Originally Posted by Boutte Well yeah but the difference is that a DB who isn't particularly athletic can could still play in a zone by being smart and letting the system work for him. The reverse doesn't really apply. Another question, what happens with a 3-4 when you go to the nickle. Any difference? Plus I don't like short corners. Really don't.

01-24-2013, 08:48 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: Spags Released Originally Posted by Boutte And maybe I'm ignorant on the subject but it seems to me that if a DB is athletic enough to play man to man there's no reason playing a zone should be any problem for him. Totally different skillset. Man CB's play the WR from snap till whistle. They rarely look into the backfield and shadow their man, reading his routes, positioning himself between the QB, etc A zone CB plays a lot more like a safety in that they're typically looking into the backfield and playing a specific zone. They're much more concerned about who's coming into and out of their area of the field than one specific man they're covering. Obviously there's some overlap but basically its different enough to matter.

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