SAINTS HIRE RYAN AS DC

02-09-2013, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

I certainly can claim it...obviously you don't agree, which is fine. We all hope and agree it would be very difficult to be any worse than last year on D and as I said it really has nothing to do with his coaching ability, last years Cowboys were probably the most talent he has had to work with and from his first year with the Cowboys to his final year I think they held 14th overall rank...no gains

No Sean Lee, no Bruce Carter, no Jay Ratliff. Those are 3 very good defenders he lost for most of the season. And his defense slipped from 5th to 19th which was understandable, and the team still never lost a game by more than 6 points even with an offense that had turnovers over like it was made by Pillsbury.

I don't have high hopes for this season defensively, but I think we can be top 15 by next year under him.

TheDeuce · 02-10-2013, 07:51 AM

Late to the show, but do not want.

TheOak · 02-10-2013, 07:53 AM

People keep saying "he lost players", that is the same as "not having the players for his scheme"......

Sound familiar?

Either way Ryan and Spags had to take the field with their required talent not on the field and failed to adapt and overcome.

Those excuses of hurt players or not having the players do not fly in the NFL.

Which is why they have both been fired.

Williams "made" something work.

Seer1 · 02-10-2013, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

People keep saying "he lost players", that is the same as "not having the players for his scheme"......

Sound familiar?

Either way Ryan and Spags had to take the field with their required talent not on the field and failed to adapt and overcome.

Those excuses of hurt players or not having the players do not fly in the NFL.

Which is why they have both been fired.

Williams "made" something work.

For a while. He flat out ran out of adaptations. He ran out of tricks on the Indianapolis blowout and everyone was blocking all of his blitzes by that season's stretch. We need a thinker as a DC. I'm hoping Rob's innovations with his vocabulary ( I think he's the only guy that gets bleeped even when he's not wearing a mic) will carry over to his defensive schemes.

B_Dub_Saint · 02-10-2013, 10:44 AM

Harley Davidson Defense here we come!

Rugby Saint II · 02-10-2013, 12:21 PM

I have very mixed feelings about this hire. Personally, I think he's greasy and I don't trust him(his look). He looks dishonest to me.jmho
On the other hand we had to switch to a 3-4 with our personnel or lack thereof. I'm hoping that this greasy fat bast*** can motivate and actually coach this defense. Which is something we desperately need. It looks like we may have some talented players that just need to be put in the right position to make plays. Round hole square peg?
Like I said I have some reservations but it's mostly a persona thing. I am still quite surprised that Payton went this direction. Oh well, he's here now and I will back him for this season.
Bring us back to the promised land Mr. Ryan. As I understand it you run a similar aggressive defense to GW..........Now get busy coaching.

hagan714 · 02-10-2013, 01:13 PM

ok i missed it how long is his contract?

burningmetal · 02-11-2013, 06:52 AM

Rob Ryan's childish antics will keep me from ever warming up to him. If we have a good defense I'll be happy about that, but it won't change my opinion. Yeah, yeah, I know... It doesn't matter if anyone likes him, blah blah. I'm worried about the distractions he will cause. Plus, despite what he thinks of himself, he's never proven to be anything more than a mediocre to, maybe, slightly above average DC. I hope he keeps his mouth shut and we end up with a good Defense.

subguy · 02-11-2013, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

No Sean Lee, no Bruce Carter, no Jay Ratliff. Those are 3 very good defenders he lost for most of the season. And his defense slipped from 5th to 19th which was understandable, and the team still never lost a game by more than 6 points even with an offense that had turnovers over like it was made by Pillsbury.

I don't have high hopes for this season defensively, but I think we can be top 15 by next year under him.

That is a good point and a lot of talent to lose...

TheOak · 02-11-2013, 08:40 AM

So some seem to be in agreement that Rob can not pull it off with out top talent... Sounds familiar?

Lets hope 2013 doesn't look like 2012 because quite frankly... We are not going to have top talent, but it would seem we will have a DC that requires top talent.. again.

02-09-2013, 11:27 PM	#81
Threaded by lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by subguy I certainly can claim it...obviously you don't agree, which is fine. We all hope and agree it would be very difficult to be any worse than last year on D and as I said it really has nothing to do with his coaching ability, last years Cowboys were probably the most talent he has had to work with and from his first year with the Cowboys to his final year I think they held 14th overall rank...no gains No Sean Lee, no Bruce Carter, no Jay Ratliff. Those are 3 very good defenders he lost for most of the season. And his defense slipped from 5th to 19th which was understandable, and the team still never lost a game by more than 6 points even with an offense that had turnovers over like it was made by Pillsbury. I don't have high hopes for this season defensively, but I think we can be top 15 by next year under him.
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02-10-2013, 07:51 AM	#82
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02-10-2013, 07:53 AM	#83
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	People keep saying "he lost players", that is the same as "not having the players for his scheme"...... Sound familiar? Either way Ryan and Spags had to take the field with their required talent not on the field and failed to adapt and overcome. Those excuses of hurt players or not having the players do not fly in the NFL. Which is why they have both been fired. Williams "made" something work. alleycat_126 likes this.

02-10-2013, 09:47 AM	#84
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: SAINTS HIRE RYAN AS DC Originally Posted by TheOak People keep saying "he lost players", that is the same as "not having the players for his scheme"...... Sound familiar? Either way Ryan and Spags had to take the field with their required talent not on the field and failed to adapt and overcome. Those excuses of hurt players or not having the players do not fly in the NFL. Which is why they have both been fired. Williams "made" something work. For a while. He flat out ran out of adaptations. He ran out of tricks on the Indianapolis blowout and everyone was blocking all of his blitzes by that season's stretch. We need a thinker as a DC. I'm hoping Rob's innovations with his vocabulary ( I think he's the only guy that gets bleeped even when he's not wearing a mic) will carry over to his defensive schemes.

02-10-2013, 10:44 AM	#85
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02-10-2013, 12:21 PM	#86
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: SAINTS HIRE RYAN AS DC I have very mixed feelings about this hire. Personally, I think he's greasy and I don't trust him(his look). He looks dishonest to me.jmho On the other hand we had to switch to a 3-4 with our personnel or lack thereof. I'm hoping that this greasy fat bast*** can motivate and actually coach this defense. Which is something we desperately need. It looks like we may have some talented players that just need to be put in the right position to make plays. Round hole square peg? Like I said I have some reservations but it's mostly a persona thing. I am still quite surprised that Payton went this direction. Oh well, he's here now and I will back him for this season. Bring us back to the promised land Mr. Ryan. As I understand it you run a similar aggressive defense to GW..........Now get busy coaching.
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02-10-2013, 01:13 PM	#87
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02-11-2013, 06:52 AM	#88
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: SAINTS HIRE RYAN AS DC Rob Ryan's childish antics will keep me from ever warming up to him. If we have a good defense I'll be happy about that, but it won't change my opinion. Yeah, yeah, I know... It doesn't matter if anyone likes him, blah blah. I'm worried about the distractions he will cause. Plus, despite what he thinks of himself, he's never proven to be anything more than a mediocre to, maybe, slightly above average DC. I hope he keeps his mouth shut and we end up with a good Defense. TheOak likes this.

02-11-2013, 08:01 AM	#89
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Re: SAINTS HIRE RYAN AS DC Originally Posted by lumm0x No Sean Lee, no Bruce Carter, no Jay Ratliff. Those are 3 very good defenders he lost for most of the season. And his defense slipped from 5th to 19th which was understandable, and the team still never lost a game by more than 6 points even with an offense that had turnovers over like it was made by Pillsbury. I don't have high hopes for this season defensively, but I think we can be top 15 by next year under him. That is a good point and a lot of talent to lose...

02-11-2013, 08:40 AM	#90
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: SAINTS HIRE RYAN AS DC So some seem to be in agreement that Rob can not pull it off with out top talent... Sounds familiar? Lets hope 2013 doesn't look like 2012 because quite frankly... We are not going to have top talent, but it would seem we will have a DC that requires top talent.. again.

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