Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints

ChrisXVI · 03-12-2013, 03:55 PM

Oh for God's sake... Another season of our coaches starting over-the-hill and unproductive defensive players is in our future. I know that keeping them doesn't necessarily mean that they'll still be starters, but c'mon... You know they will.

Torfino · 03-12-2013, 04:20 PM

You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.

FinSaint · 03-12-2013, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Torfino

You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.

But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money.

If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M).

You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process.

Torfino · 03-12-2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money.

If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M).

You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process.

I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership?

I personally hope we trade them though.

FinSaint · 03-12-2013, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Torfino

I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership?

I personally hope we trade them though.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to know what to make of these restructures until the terms are released.

RockyMountainSaint · 03-12-2013, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Torfino

You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million.

Good point Torfino. They should be more attractive for teams to trade for.
I hadn't considered this before.

btw, welcome to the community.

jeanpierre · 03-12-2013, 04:13 PM

The Bounty Scandal - we're still paying for it...

hagan714 · 03-12-2013, 04:27 PM

bushrod is talking to the bears as i type. LT is a big issue

saintfan · 03-12-2013, 04:53 PM

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hagan714 · 03-12-2013, 04:59 PM

we got time. we are going to add 2nd and 3rd tier fa anyways. let the market prices get set and the big spenders get done. colts are the big spender and winners so far. miami spending big but so big i can not say they are winners

Bushrods market value will determine everything. i bet thats why he is talking to the bears already. getting a feel for the cheese out there for him. i bet the FO is waiting on that info more than other and seeing whats left out there for options if he moves on

03-12-2013, 03:55 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Oh for God's sake... Another season of our coaches starting over-the-hill and unproductive defensive players is in our future. I know that keeping them doesn't necessarily mean that they'll still be starters, but c'mon... You know they will.

03-12-2013, 04:20 PM	#2
Torfino Rookie Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 12	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million. RockyMountainSaint and papz like this.
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03-12-2013, 04:29 PM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by Torfino You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million. But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money. If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M). You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process. Danno, papz, TheEnigma and 1 others like this.

03-12-2013, 04:42 PM	#4
Torfino Rookie Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 12	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by FinSaint But you're not taking into account the money they'll - potentially - be paid on top of that dead money. If it was both of them just for $7M this season it would certainly be more acceptable than the $23M their cap hits would've been this coming season without the restructures (Smith $14.5M & Vilma $8.7M). You definitely could get quality talent with $16M and "eat" the hit you take in dead money in the process. I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership? I personally hope we trade them though.
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03-12-2013, 04:49 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by Torfino I guess we know till we see the numbers. If we take a $9M total hit then we got a nickel ILB and a situational rusher for $2M. And what price goes on their leadership? I personally hope we trade them though. Yeah, it's kind of hard to know what to make of these restructures until the terms are released. Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-12-2013, 04:39 PM	#6
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints Originally Posted by Torfino You guys all say you wish they were cut outright? We have a $7Million cap hit from them if we cut them! I don't care of we put them on special teams or have them getting Gatorade for the starters - we can't just cut them and eat $7M. At least this way maybe we can trade them each for a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick now that they have attractive salaries, or can get situational rushes or special teams play for our $$. If we cut them we get SQUAT for our $7Million. Good point Torfino. They should be more attractive for teams to trade for. I hadn't considered this before. btw, welcome to the community.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints bushrod is talking to the bears as i type. LT is a big issue

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03-12-2013, 04:59 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Holder: Smith and Vilma Restructure- Remain Saints we got time. we are going to add 2nd and 3rd tier fa anyways. let the market prices get set and the big spenders get done. colts are the big spender and winners so far. miami spending big but so big i can not say they are winners Bushrods market value will determine everything. i bet thats why he is talking to the bears already. getting a feel for the cheese out there for him. i bet the FO is waiting on that info more than other and seeing whats left out there for options if he moves on

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