New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick

Halo · 04-25-2013, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

I agree, it is a monumental task overhauling the D in one season with no cap room. I didnt expect the D to be greatly better. I did expect a pick that made much better sense.

That's totally fair. I agree.
We just won't know the impact of this kid until we see him in uniform.

TreyThomas · 04-25-2013, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by TwistedTiger

I agree, it is a monumental task overhauling the D in one season with no cap room. I didnt expect the D to be greatly better. I did expect a pick that made much better sense.

I guess I'm having trouble understanding what pick you would have made at #15? A linebacker with injury problems that ran nearly a 4.9 40 yard dash that will have trouble getting to the outside in Jones? Or a 4-3 DT in Floyd? According to Profootballfocus.com, our biggest red flag was safety. Jenkins and Harper ranked last in their positions. Certifiably terrible. This pick makes perfect sense to me.

RaginCajun83 · 04-25-2013, 10:22 PM

Love the pick, even if Harper somehow sticks around

TreyThomas · 04-25-2013, 10:24 PM

I'll leave it at this. There MUST be a reason Floyd dropped down to 23rd in the draft. He was predicted top 5 in most drafts.

I remember everyone thinking Sergio Kindle would be a top pick. He dropped to the second round and I even remember asking myself, why did the saints pass on this guy in the second round????

Floyd may end up being great. Just saying, he may not be as great as he originally looked.

Halo · 04-25-2013, 10:27 PM

If you run 3-4, you must have skilled players behind the down linemen, end of story. For a 3-4 defense, Vicarrio makes most sense. For a 4-3 defense, Floyd would have been the choice.

Like I said, people are nervous because so many things hinge on Ryan, the 3-4, and how he fits the pieces of our defense into a team.

hagan714 · 04-25-2013, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

If you run 3-4, you must have skilled players behind the down linemen, end of story. For a 3-4 defense, Vicarrio makes most sense. For a 4-3 defense, Floyd would have been the choice.

Like I said, people are nervous because so many things hinge on Ryan, the 3-4, and how he fits the pieces of our defense into a team.

oh yeah i am nervous. and some people wonder why i have my little buddy sitting staring and wondering why

alleycat_126 · 04-25-2013, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by TreyThomas

I'll leave it at this. There MUST be a reason Floyd dropped down to 23rd in the draft. He was predicted top 5 in most drafts.

I remember everyone thinking Sergio Kindle would be a top pick. He dropped to the second round and I even remember asking myself, why did the saints pass on this guy in the second round????

Floyd may end up being great. Just saying, he may not be as great as he originally looked.

There was an article I read that pretty much said that Floyd was made into a first rounder by the media.... If you remember Floyd was never mentioned until Star Lotuleilei came up with the heart condition issue before the combine.

Halo · 04-25-2013, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

There was an article I read that pretty much said that Floyd was made into a first rounder by the media.... If you remember Floyd was never mentioned until Star Lotuleilei came up with the heart condition issue before the combine.

Like it is every season. Watch half these kids drafted 1st round fall off the radar. Then, the players missed by the media are the future hall of famers - the 2nd, 4th and 6th rounders.

Pickup Honey Badger undrafted and I will start to get stoked!

TreyThomas · 04-25-2013, 10:27 PM

Anyone remember Amobi Okoye? Floyd resembles him in many ways, and go check where Okoye is at now.

TreyThomas · 04-25-2013, 10:37 PM

People keep bringing up how bad the defense was last year, like it was all just the players. For God's sake... Spags' defense didn't fit us AT ALL. And by the way, we had no head coach to light a fire under anyone's ass, either.

And comparing Vaccaro to Jenkins is just stupid. Vaccaro is a safety. Always has been a safety, always will be a safety. Jenkins was a corner moved to safety. These are two different positions entirely, and not every player has the instinct to play safety. Jenkins lack of interceptions is not his problem. Hell, I'd be happy if he were anywhere close to the ball just to swat it down.

04-25-2013, 10:49 PM	#2
TreyThomas Registered Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 82	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick Originally Posted by TwistedTiger I agree, it is a monumental task overhauling the D in one season with no cap room. I didnt expect the D to be greatly better. I did expect a pick that made much better sense. I guess I'm having trouble understanding what pick you would have made at #15? A linebacker with injury problems that ran nearly a 4.9 40 yard dash that will have trouble getting to the outside in Jones? Or a 4-3 DT in Floyd? According to Profootballfocus.com, our biggest red flag was safety. Jenkins and Harper ranked last in their positions. Certifiably terrible. This pick makes perfect sense to me. jnormand, RockyMountainSaint and SaintnDE like this.
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04-25-2013, 10:22 PM	#3
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick Love the pick, even if Harper somehow sticks around

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TreyThomas Registered Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 82	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick I'll leave it at this. There MUST be a reason Floyd dropped down to 23rd in the draft. He was predicted top 5 in most drafts. I remember everyone thinking Sergio Kindle would be a top pick. He dropped to the second round and I even remember asking myself, why did the saints pass on this guy in the second round???? Floyd may end up being great. Just saying, he may not be as great as he originally looked. RockyMountainSaint likes this.
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04-25-2013, 10:27 PM	#5
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,867 Blog Entries: 45	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick If you run 3-4, you must have skilled players behind the down linemen, end of story. For a 3-4 defense, Vicarrio makes most sense. For a 4-3 defense, Floyd would have been the choice. Like I said, people are nervous because so many things hinge on Ryan, the 3-4, and how he fits the pieces of our defense into a team. SaintnDE likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick Originally Posted by Halo If you run 3-4, you must have skilled players behind the down linemen, end of story. For a 3-4 defense, Vicarrio makes most sense. For a 4-3 defense, Floyd would have been the choice. Like I said, people are nervous because so many things hinge on Ryan, the 3-4, and how he fits the pieces of our defense into a team. oh yeah i am nervous. and some people wonder why i have my little buddy sitting staring and wondering why

04-25-2013, 10:48 PM	#1
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,867 Blog Entries: 45	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick Originally Posted by TwistedTiger I agree, it is a monumental task overhauling the D in one season with no cap room. I didnt expect the D to be greatly better. I did expect a pick that made much better sense. That's totally fair. I agree. We just won't know the impact of this kid until we see him in uniform.

04-25-2013, 10:28 PM	#7
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick Originally Posted by TreyThomas I'll leave it at this. There MUST be a reason Floyd dropped down to 23rd in the draft. He was predicted top 5 in most drafts. I remember everyone thinking Sergio Kindle would be a top pick. He dropped to the second round and I even remember asking myself, why did the saints pass on this guy in the second round???? Floyd may end up being great. Just saying, he may not be as great as he originally looked. There was an article I read that pretty much said that Floyd was made into a first rounder by the media.... If you remember Floyd was never mentioned until Star Lotuleilei came up with the heart condition issue before the combine. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,867 Blog Entries: 45	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick Originally Posted by alleycat_126 There was an article I read that pretty much said that Floyd was made into a first rounder by the media.... If you remember Floyd was never mentioned until Star Lotuleilei came up with the heart condition issue before the combine. Like it is every season. Watch half these kids drafted 1st round fall off the radar. Then, the players missed by the media are the future hall of famers - the 2nd, 4th and 6th rounders. Pickup Honey Badger undrafted and I will start to get stoked! RockyMountainSaint likes this.

04-25-2013, 10:37 PM	#10
TreyThomas Registered Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 82	Re: New Orleans Saints select Texas safety Kenny Vaccaro with the 15th pick People keep bringing up how bad the defense was last year, like it was all just the players. For God's sake... Spags' defense didn't fit us AT ALL. And by the way, we had no head coach to light a fire under anyone's ass, either. And comparing Vaccaro to Jenkins is just stupid. Vaccaro is a safety. Always has been a safety, always will be a safety. Jenkins was a corner moved to safety. These are two different positions entirely, and not every player has the instinct to play safety. Jenkins lack of interceptions is not his problem. Hell, I'd be happy if he were anywhere close to the ball just to swat it down. RockyMountainSaint and foreverfan like this.
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