Ingram - rumors along with everything else

SloMotion · 09-23-2013, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I wouldn't go as far as to say "thriving"... And if we gain the one piece we need to make a Championship happen, do you really care where he goes?

Just because something isn't a good fit doesn't mean they are a bad player, or that we have a bad system. At ALL. A "bad fit" is not something that is personal.... But I am no Sean Payton.

... I disagree ... if you've followed the Lions run game post-Barry Sanders, and I don't blame you if you haven't,

... what's been going on the first several games of the season could accurately be described as "thriving". I gotta' look back in the archives to find a guy that runs between the tackles like Joique Bell and actually gets across the line of scrimmage,

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jeanpierre · 09-23-2013, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I wouldn't go as far as to say "thriving"... And if we gain the one piece we need to make a Championship happen, do you really care where he goes?

Just because something isn't a good fit doesn't mean they are a bad player, or that we have a bad system. At ALL. A "bad fit" is not something that is personal.... But I am no Sean Payton.

Oak, Bush and Bell, compared to what they did in New Orleans are having better statistical performances, that's why I said thriving...

That doesn't mean what the Saints are doing is wrong, it's just a bad fit as you said...

Pretty much what many are saying about Ingram with the Saints...

TheOak · 09-23-2013, 10:23 AM

Here is my take.

Bell - Has zero stats with the Saints.. Pretty unfair to frame the statement that he is flourishing now and doing better with the Saints, when the Saints didn't use him. He was on the Saints team in 2011, should we have used him over Ingram, Sproles, or Thomas then? I do not recall anyone saying he should have been brought up from the practice squad over what we had.
Joique Bell Stats - Detroit Lions - ESPN
Joique Bell: Career Stats at NFL.com

Bush - We have had this comparison in the Ingram thread... Bush has not gotten any better since he left New Orleans, he has only managed to stay healthy. Neither his Yards Per Carry or his Yards Per Reception have been better than when he was in New Orleans. His ATT per Game is up and he is playing in more games because he is healthy. When you combine his Rushing and Recieving TDs in New Orleans, he scored more per season with us.
Reggie Bush: Career Stats at NFL.com

So, i suppose if you are going to define "flourishing" as staying healthy for Reggie, Ill agree... But he has not proven to be a better RB, just a more utilized RB. Reggie and the rest not being able to stay healthy is a part of the reason we carry so many these days.

TheOak · 09-23-2013, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Pretty much what many are saying about Ingram with the Saints...

An awful lot of people do not understand bad fit and want to make the peg fit instead of going with the correct peg. They take it personally.. Its not, its business. A wood screw is a damned good screw, I ts just not a goof fit for a carburetor.

dueceloose · 09-23-2013, 11:22 AM

So does this mean that the name change is still possible? Cxckmonger please stand up please stand up.

jeanpierre · 09-23-2013, 11:29 AM

Biggest problem with our run game are our offensive line; priority is without a doubt protecting the 20 million dollar quarterback; but we've also got to protect him with the run game...

Papa Voodoo · 09-23-2013, 01:37 PM

Joe Thomas for Mark Ingram and a draft pick?

Budsdrinker · 09-23-2013, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Joe Thomas for Mark Ingram and a draft pick?

Can't see it happening but I like it. Ingram and a third for Thomas?

The Dude · 09-23-2013, 01:46 PM

Payton says its not happening.

Budsdrinker · 09-23-2013, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Payton says its not happening.

And coach has always been honest with the media.

09-23-2013, 09:25 AM	#221
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR Originally Posted by TheOak I wouldn't go as far as to say "thriving"... And if we gain the one piece we need to make a Championship happen, do you really care where he goes? Just because something isn't a good fit doesn't mean they are a bad player, or that we have a bad system. At ALL. A "bad fit" is not something that is personal.... But I am no Sean Payton. ... I disagree ... if you've followed the Lions run game post-Barry Sanders, and I don't blame you if you haven't, ... what's been going on the first several games of the season could accurately be described as "thriving". I gotta' look back in the archives to find a guy that runs between the tackles like Joique Bell and actually gets across the line of scrimmage, . Crusader likes this.

09-23-2013, 10:07 AM	#222
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR Originally Posted by TheOak I wouldn't go as far as to say "thriving"... And if we gain the one piece we need to make a Championship happen, do you really care where he goes? Just because something isn't a good fit doesn't mean they are a bad player, or that we have a bad system. At ALL. A "bad fit" is not something that is personal.... But I am no Sean Payton. Oak, Bush and Bell, compared to what they did in New Orleans are having better statistical performances, that's why I said thriving... That doesn't mean what the Saints are doing is wrong, it's just a bad fit as you said... Pretty much what many are saying about Ingram with the Saints...

09-23-2013, 10:23 AM	#223
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR Here is my take. Bell - Has zero stats with the Saints.. Pretty unfair to frame the statement that he is flourishing now and doing better with the Saints, when the Saints didn't use him. He was on the Saints team in 2011, should we have used him over Ingram, Sproles, or Thomas then? I do not recall anyone saying he should have been brought up from the practice squad over what we had. Joique Bell Stats - Detroit Lions - ESPN Joique Bell: Career Stats at NFL.com Bush - We have had this comparison in the Ingram thread... Bush has not gotten any better since he left New Orleans, he has only managed to stay healthy. Neither his Yards Per Carry or his Yards Per Reception have been better than when he was in New Orleans. His ATT per Game is up and he is playing in more games because he is healthy. When you combine his Rushing and Recieving TDs in New Orleans, he scored more per season with us. Reggie Bush: Career Stats at NFL.com So, i suppose if you are going to define "flourishing" as staying healthy for Reggie, Ill agree... But he has not proven to be a better RB, just a more utilized RB. Reggie and the rest not being able to stay healthy is a part of the reason we carry so many these days.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-23-2013, 10:25 AM	#224
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR Originally Posted by jeanpierre Pretty much what many are saying about Ingram with the Saints... An awful lot of people do not understand bad fit and want to make the peg fit instead of going with the correct peg. They take it personally.. Its not, its business. A wood screw is a damned good screw, I ts just not a goof fit for a carburetor. thebdj, ClintSaints and onebyone like this.

09-23-2013, 11:22 AM	#225
dueceloose 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 957	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR So does this mean that the name change is still possible? Cxckmonger please stand up please stand up.
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09-23-2013, 11:29 AM	#226
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR Biggest problem with our run game are our offensive line; priority is without a doubt protecting the 20 million dollar quarterback; but we've also got to protect him with the run game...

09-23-2013, 01:37 PM	#227
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,633	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR Joe Thomas for Mark Ingram and a draft pick? Budsdrinker likes this.

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Joe Thomas for Mark Ingram and a draft pick? Can't see it happening but I like it. Ingram and a third for Thomas?

09-23-2013, 01:46 PM	#229
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09-23-2013, 01:58 PM	#230
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Interesting RUMOR: Giants-Saints in Ingram trade talks - RUMOR Originally Posted by The Dude Payton says its not happening. And coach has always been honest with the media. TheOak likes this.

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