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saintz08 · 10-04-2004, 07:04 PM

I guess you missed the Non Call then. You know, the one where there was holding in the end zone. You know...the one where our guy was holding the moment the ball was snapped (there are several other similar examples you must have missed). I\'m sure you\'ll fail to acknowledge that many catchable passes (some right on the numbers) were just thrown too \"hot\" to handle.

Nope .....

Just wonderin why he chose to throw down with Grant with all them offensive mistakes under his direct leadership .

But I guess that makes sense to some , including Brooks . Can\'t keep your own squad under control , then throw down with the defensive side of the ball ....

Some might have thought he would have been throwin down with Riley or Gandy after the game .....But that just aint Brooks style ....

JOESAM2002 · 10-04-2004, 08:36 PM

The way I hear it is he (AB) was downing the offense and Grant jumped in to dis them too. AB took exception with a defensive player belittling his offensive team mates. No blows were struck and no animals were hurt in the filming. However ESPN reports that the argument restarted when the plane landed. Both players apologized to the team today in team meetings. :seeingstars:

saintz08 · 10-04-2004, 10:04 PM

Figures Gator gets it but in another thread .....

And the Answer is : NO TEAM CONCEPT

This is why you have Brooks and Grant going at it . The team is clearly divided and Hasbeen has not found away to get them focused on one goal as an entire team .

The leadership on this team is non existant other then Horn and his practical jokes , finger pointing is an annual event in New Orleans as much as the December slide .

themightyduck · 10-04-2004, 10:23 PM

If Haslett was a good coach (so this will never happen), he would use this anger and contempt to motivate the team.

Jon Gruden had the same approach when the Bucs won the Super Bowl: let the players fight and talk trash to each other, harness that anger and emotion, and use it to motivate the players to prove their enemies wrong. Of course, having a really good defense helps, too...

Dusty Baker did the same thing in SF. Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent got into a heated argument, and he used that emotion to his benefit. What happened the next day? Bonds hits, like, 2 Homers and Kent goes 3 for 4 with a homer, and the Giants win.

vulture · 10-05-2004, 02:00 AM

Agreed, I don\'t see this kind of thing happening on a Billick or Belichick coached team.

St.Shrume · 10-05-2004, 07:46 AM

I\'m glad there was a heated arguement. I\'m glad tempers flew. Hell ya! After a game like that, I\'m gald they were mad. i WAS MAD. To me it shows they have heart and don\'t like losing.

People ***** about AB when he smiles on the sidelines. I\'d much rather hear about him getting mad after a crap arse game like Sundays.

Danno · 10-05-2004, 07:57 AM

I\'m glad there was a heated arguement. I\'m glad tempers flew. Hell ya! After a game like that, I\'m gald they were mad. i WAS MAD. To me it shows they have heart and don\'t like losing.

People ***** about AB when he smiles on the sidelines. I\'d much rather hear about him getting mad after a crap arse game like Sundays.

I was listening to WWL last night and heard (I think KW commented) it was AB chewing asss on some offensive players (hopefully Riley and Gandy) and Grant piled on. AB basically told Grant to STFU and worry about his side of the ball and Grant fired back. Words, no punches. If this is true, I LOVE IT!
EMOTION!!!
FINALLY!!!!

Now if they can only channel that fire and anger toward gamedays this team might actually improve.

saintz08 · 10-05-2004, 11:51 AM

Brooks, Grant air out frustrations
Teammates engage in \'a verbal match\'

Tuesday, October 05, 2004

By Bob Fortus

The Saints brought their frustration with losing to the previously winless Cardinals on Sunday to the team plane, where quarterback Aaron Brooks and defensive end Charles Grant became involved in what Coach Jim Haslett called \"a verbal match\" on the flight home from Arizona.

\"It was not bad,\" Haslett said at his Monday press conference. \"It was nothing more than (linebackers coach) Winston Moss and I had during the game. Both guys are passionate about winning. They\'re both upset about the way they played, and we played.

\"You know how it happens when something starts. By the time it hits (the news), it\'s probably an all-out brawl, and the plane almost went down. It was nothing like that at all.\"

Brooks, who after the 34-10 setback to the Cardinals said he needs to \"re-evaluate my situation here in New Orleans,\" was not available in the locker room after the team\'s regular Monday meeting.

Grant declined to comment but said he\'d talk later this week.

Haslett downplayed Brooks\' frustrations.

\"When I talked to him today, he said he had to re-evaluate -- looking at the film, make sure that he\'s doing his part,\" Haslett said. \"If he meant anything more than that, I don\'t know. You\'ll have to talk to him.\"

Said center LeCharles Bentley: \"I don\'t think there are any problems. You have to remember Aaron\'s situation. When the team\'s playing well he gets a lot of praise. When the team\'s not playing well he gets all the blame.\"

Haslett said the Saints \"self-destructed on offense\" after moving the ball effectively early against Arizona. The Saints committed 12 penalties, and offensive linemen Victor Riley and Wayne Gandy committed two false starts each.

\"Our mental approach is not good when something bad happens on offense,\" Haslett said. \"We didn\'t play well on the field. Give credit to Arizona. They played hard. We were awful in the fourth quarter against the run.\"

The Saints rank second-to-last in the league in rushing defense and total defense after yielding 211 rushing yards to the Cardinals, who before Sunday had scored a total of 25 points in three games.

\"We lost our poise on defense the last eight minutes of the game trying to get the ball back,\" Haslett said.

The Saints also rank second-to-last in rushing offense. They rushed for 41 yards against the Cardinals, who came into the game ranked last in rushing defense.

\"I thought we did play hard,\" Haslett said. \"I don\'t think we played very smart.\"

Riley has shown a propensity for false starts, committing at least one in each game.

\"Those guys are out there on an island, and you\'re on the road, and all of a sudden the quarterback lifts his leg and you\'ve got speed coming off the edge. You have to be ready to move,\" Haslett said.

\"I don\'t know if the balls aren\'t coming up on time, or he\'s moving too soon, or a combination of both.\"

Haslett also said he isn\'t planning on benching any starters.

Said tight end Ernie Conwell: \"I don\'t think there needs to be a lot of talking right now. We just need to shut our mouths, play hard. I think we got some things done today (at the meeting).

\"We\'re 2-2. It\'s not the time to panic. We\'ve got to flush this game down the toilet.\"

http://nolalive.com/sports/t-p/index...5758321950.xml

subguy · 10-05-2004, 12:31 PM

\"When I talked to him today, he said he had to re-evaluate -- looking at the film, make sure that he\'s doing his part,\" Haslett said. \"If he meant anything more than that, I don\'t know. You\'ll have to talk to him.\"

WTF kind of stupid azz answer is this? He had to uh uh re-evaluate film.......yeah yeah that\'s the ticket. :eck25:

Danno · 10-05-2004, 01:05 PM

I wonder if Gandy and Riley were arguing with him about tipping the snap.

I think he may lift his foot about a half second before the snap and Riley and Gandy are getting embarrassed by speed rushers, leading to the off-sides problems.

Brooks may want to see the film for himself before he accepts blame.

10-04-2004, 07:04 PM	#11
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	And the Answer is : I guess you missed the Non Call then. You know, the one where there was holding in the end zone. You know...the one where our guy was holding the moment the ball was snapped (there are several other similar examples you must have missed). I\'m sure you\'ll fail to acknowledge that many catchable passes (some right on the numbers) were just thrown too \"hot\" to handle. Nope ..... Just wonderin why he chose to throw down with Grant with all them offensive mistakes under his direct leadership . But I guess that makes sense to some , including Brooks . Can\'t keep your own squad under control , then throw down with the defensive side of the ball .... Some might have thought he would have been throwin down with Riley or Gandy after the game .....But that just aint Brooks style ....
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10-04-2004, 08:36 PM	#12
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	And the Answer is : The way I hear it is he (AB) was downing the offense and Grant jumped in to dis them too. AB took exception with a defensive player belittling his offensive team mates. No blows were struck and no animals were hurt in the filming. However ESPN reports that the argument restarted when the plane landed. Both players apologized to the team today in team meetings. :seeingstars:

10-04-2004, 10:04 PM	#13
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	And the Answer is : Figures Gator gets it but in another thread ..... And the Answer is : NO TEAM CONCEPT This is why you have Brooks and Grant going at it . The team is clearly divided and Hasbeen has not found away to get them focused on one goal as an entire team . The leadership on this team is non existant other then Horn and his practical jokes , finger pointing is an annual event in New Orleans as much as the December slide .
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10-04-2004, 10:23 PM	#14
themightyduck 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 219	And the Answer is : If Haslett was a good coach (so this will never happen), he would use this anger and contempt to motivate the team. Jon Gruden had the same approach when the Bucs won the Super Bowl: let the players fight and talk trash to each other, harness that anger and emotion, and use it to motivate the players to prove their enemies wrong. Of course, having a really good defense helps, too... Dusty Baker did the same thing in SF. Barry Bonds and Jeff Kent got into a heated argument, and he used that emotion to his benefit. What happened the next day? Bonds hits, like, 2 Homers and Kent goes 3 for 4 with a homer, and the Giants win.
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10-05-2004, 02:00 AM	#15
vulture Registered Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 83	And the Answer is : Agreed, I don\'t see this kind of thing happening on a Billick or Belichick coached team.
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10-05-2004, 07:46 AM	#16
St.Shrume 100th Post Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 125	And the Answer is : I\'m glad there was a heated arguement. I\'m glad tempers flew. Hell ya! After a game like that, I\'m gald they were mad. i WAS MAD. To me it shows they have heart and don\'t like losing. People ***** about AB when he smiles on the sidelines. I\'d much rather hear about him getting mad after a crap arse game like Sundays.
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10-05-2004, 07:57 AM	#17
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,718	And the Answer is : I\'m glad there was a heated arguement. I\'m glad tempers flew. Hell ya! After a game like that, I\'m gald they were mad. i WAS MAD. To me it shows they have heart and don\'t like losing. People ***** about AB when he smiles on the sidelines. I\'d much rather hear about him getting mad after a crap arse game like Sundays. I was listening to WWL last night and heard (I think KW commented) it was AB chewing asss on some offensive players (hopefully Riley and Gandy) and Grant piled on. AB basically told Grant to STFU and worry about his side of the ball and Grant fired back. Words, no punches. If this is true, I LOVE IT! EMOTION!!! FINALLY!!!! Now if they can only channel that fire and anger toward gamedays this team might actually improve.

10-05-2004, 11:51 AM	#18
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	And the Answer is : Brooks, Grant air out frustrations Teammates engage in \'a verbal match\' Tuesday, October 05, 2004 By Bob Fortus The Saints brought their frustration with losing to the previously winless Cardinals on Sunday to the team plane, where quarterback Aaron Brooks and defensive end Charles Grant became involved in what Coach Jim Haslett called \"a verbal match\" on the flight home from Arizona. \"It was not bad,\" Haslett said at his Monday press conference. \"It was nothing more than (linebackers coach) Winston Moss and I had during the game. Both guys are passionate about winning. They\'re both upset about the way they played, and we played. \"You know how it happens when something starts. By the time it hits (the news), it\'s probably an all-out brawl, and the plane almost went down. It was nothing like that at all.\" Brooks, who after the 34-10 setback to the Cardinals said he needs to \"re-evaluate my situation here in New Orleans,\" was not available in the locker room after the team\'s regular Monday meeting. Grant declined to comment but said he\'d talk later this week. Haslett downplayed Brooks\' frustrations. \"When I talked to him today, he said he had to re-evaluate -- looking at the film, make sure that he\'s doing his part,\" Haslett said. \"If he meant anything more than that, I don\'t know. You\'ll have to talk to him.\" Said center LeCharles Bentley: \"I don\'t think there are any problems. You have to remember Aaron\'s situation. When the team\'s playing well he gets a lot of praise. When the team\'s not playing well he gets all the blame.\" Haslett said the Saints \"self-destructed on offense\" after moving the ball effectively early against Arizona. The Saints committed 12 penalties, and offensive linemen Victor Riley and Wayne Gandy committed two false starts each. \"Our mental approach is not good when something bad happens on offense,\" Haslett said. \"We didn\'t play well on the field. Give credit to Arizona. They played hard. We were awful in the fourth quarter against the run.\" The Saints rank second-to-last in the league in rushing defense and total defense after yielding 211 rushing yards to the Cardinals, who before Sunday had scored a total of 25 points in three games. \"We lost our poise on defense the last eight minutes of the game trying to get the ball back,\" Haslett said. The Saints also rank second-to-last in rushing offense. They rushed for 41 yards against the Cardinals, who came into the game ranked last in rushing defense. \"I thought we did play hard,\" Haslett said. \"I don\'t think we played very smart.\" Riley has shown a propensity for false starts, committing at least one in each game. \"Those guys are out there on an island, and you\'re on the road, and all of a sudden the quarterback lifts his leg and you\'ve got speed coming off the edge. You have to be ready to move,\" Haslett said. \"I don\'t know if the balls aren\'t coming up on time, or he\'s moving too soon, or a combination of both.\" Haslett also said he isn\'t planning on benching any starters. Said tight end Ernie Conwell: \"I don\'t think there needs to be a lot of talking right now. We just need to shut our mouths, play hard. I think we got some things done today (at the meeting). \"We\'re 2-2. It\'s not the time to panic. We\'ve got to flush this game down the toilet.\" http://nolalive.com/sports/t-p/index...5758321950.xml
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

10-05-2004, 12:31 PM	#19
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,092	And the Answer is : \"When I talked to him today, he said he had to re-evaluate -- looking at the film, make sure that he\'s doing his part,\" Haslett said. \"If he meant anything more than that, I don\'t know. You\'ll have to talk to him.\" WTF kind of stupid azz answer is this? He had to uh uh re-evaluate film.......yeah yeah that\'s the ticket. :eck25:

10-05-2004, 01:05 PM	#20
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,718	And the Answer is : I wonder if Gandy and Riley were arguing with him about tipping the snap. I think he may lift his foot about a half second before the snap and Riley and Gandy are getting embarrassed by speed rushers, leading to the off-sides problems. Brooks may want to see the film for himself before he accepts blame.