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saintz08 · 10-06-2004, 10:54 AM

So what your telling me is, a poster, who will remain nameless...because his name wasn\'t given, from another site, and the name of that site was also not given, states that a \"radio talk show personality\" who also happens to be well connected in NFL circles, spread a story about what had happened on the plane, and I\'m supposed to eat that???

And ask for seconds ....

I am real interested in this , already am attempting to validate what the radio personality said .

saintfan · 10-06-2004, 11:31 AM

You have GOT to admit, 08, that you are the most presumptuous poster on this board.

You mean I\'m not the only one who sees it? Go figure.

08 has every right to be \"presumptuous\" of course. Then again, the rest of us have every right to call him on it. LMAO

saintz08 · 10-07-2004, 12:26 AM

08 has every right to be \"presumptuous\" of course. Then again, the rest of us have every right to call him on it. LMAO

Working a new theory here , just to let you know .

May debut early next week .....

BlackandBlue · 10-07-2004, 01:10 AM

And ask for seconds ....

****, all you\'ve given me so far is whine and cheese. We haven\'t even made it through appetizers yet. Where\'s the main course, dammit?

[Edited on 7/10/2004 by BlackandBlue]

Puddinhead · 10-07-2004, 10:28 AM

I wonder if Gandy and Riley were arguing with him about tipping the snap.

I think he may lift his foot about a half second before the snap and Riley and Gandy are getting embarrassed by speed rushers, leading to the off-sides problems.

Brooks may want to see the film for himself before he accepts blame.

That\'s the shotgun \"silent count\" signal to the center....QB lifts foot when everyone is set after any shift, and he\'s ready for the ball. Center then snaps the ball without waiting for an actual verbal command. If you notice, usually the center will be looking back between his legs like a long snapper when a team is in the shotgun until the QB gives the \"foot lift\" signal that all is ready. Then the center will lift his head to take one last look at the defensive alignment to make sure no blocking scheme changes have to be made, and then snap the ball when he\'s satisfied with the blocking scheme. The rest of the offense just has to do one simple thing....watch the ball. Of course, the tackles are usually split out pretty wide to match up with the outside rush, and they try to \"cheat\" their way back off the line (although the refs are enforcing that more now) to build in a better blocking angle for an outside speed rush, so it\'s difficult for them to actually watch the ball like the guards can do. So what they often end up doing (a little too much, if you ask me) is to use their peripheral vision to sort of rely on a \"feel\" for when everyone else starts. Which gets them in trouble when anyone along the defensive front flinches or bluffs toward the line. But the foot lift isn\'t some kind of \"tip\" the defense is picking up, like Babe Ruth sticking his tongue out of the corner of his mouth when he was going to throw his curve (when he was still a pitcher with the Red Sox)--it\'s simply a signal to the center that everyone else on the offense is ready, and it\'s up to him to initiate the snap. If the defense is starting to time the period between the foot lift and the actual snap and is getting a \"jump\" on the blockers, it\'s up to Bentley, not Brooks, to vary the timing between the signal and the snap to keep that from happening. Perhaps he\'s unwittingly fallen into a tendency to snap it on the same rhythm after the foot lift, and defenses are picking up on it. The alternative is to drop the \"silent count\" concept completely for the shotgun, and go to a verbal snap count for that formation as well...but that can cause problems when you\'re playing on the road in some of the noisier venues. It wouldn\'t have mattered last Sunday, probably...but down the road you know it would lead to burned timeouts when the line couldn\'t hear the count.

saintfan · 10-07-2004, 10:40 AM

So then, what you\'re saying, is that in your opinion -- as opposed to some of our more agenda prone moderators and their defenders -- is that you don\'t think all the false starts and holding calls against the Saints last week are necessarilly all Brooks\' fault?

Neither do I. Then again, you\'d have to be willing to overlook many things if you were to blame Brooks\' alone. Some might even say, if you were to do that, that you have an agenda.

WhoDat · 10-07-2004, 02:02 PM

Danno has an agenda now? B/c that was HIS comment quoted above. Who on this board doesn\'t have an agenda besides you? LOL

saintfan · 10-07-2004, 02:05 PM

That\'s the shotgun \"silent count\" signal to the center....QB lifts foot when everyone is set after any shift, and he\'s ready for the ball. Center then snaps the ball without waiting for an actual verbal command. If you notice, usually the center will be looking back between his legs like a long snapper when a team is in the shotgun until the QB gives the \"foot lift\" signal that all is ready. Then the center will lift his head to take one last look at the defensive alignment to make sure no blocking scheme changes have to be made, and then snap the ball when he\'s satisfied with the blocking scheme. The rest of the offense just has to do one simple thing....watch the ball. Of course, the tackles are usually split out pretty wide to match up with the outside rush, and they try to \"cheat\" their way back off the line (although the refs are enforcing that more now) to build in a better blocking angle for an outside speed rush, so it\'s difficult for them to actually watch the ball like the guards can do. So what they often end up doing (a little too much, if you ask me) is to use their peripheral vision to sort of rely on a \"feel\" for when everyone else starts. Which gets them in trouble when anyone along the defensive front flinches or bluffs toward the line. But the foot lift isn\'t some kind of \"tip\" the defense is picking up, like Babe Ruth sticking his tongue out of the corner of his mouth when he was going to throw his curve (when he was still a pitcher with the Red Sox)--it\'s simply a signal to the center that everyone else on the offense is ready, and it\'s up to him to initiate the snap. If the defense is starting to time the period between the foot lift and the actual snap and is getting a \"jump\" on the blockers, it\'s up to Bentley, not Brooks, to vary the timing between the signal and the snap to keep that from happening. Perhaps he\'s unwittingly fallen into a tendency to snap it on the same rhythm after the foot lift, and defenses are picking up on it. The alternative is to drop the \"silent count\" concept completely for the shotgun, and go to a verbal snap count for that formation as well...but that can cause problems when you\'re playing on the road in some of the noisier venues. It wouldn\'t have mattered last Sunday, probably...but down the road you know it would lead to burned timeouts when the line couldn\'t hear the count.

This is what I was referring to Whodat. Me thinks you need to stop reaching in your attempt to stir up poo.

I don\'t see many agenda\'s Whodat. Typically it\'s you and 08, and 08 mostly, but you\'ve had your moments. Denying it only proves it. You can fool some of the newer folks \'round here, but I\'ve been around a bit longer.

BrooksMustGo · 10-07-2004, 02:35 PM

Who on this board doesn\'t have an agenda besides you?

Me. I have always tried to approach this team in a fair minded and even handed way. I\'ve managed to stay far more objective about my comments than even I thought I would. Agenda-less posting can be done and I\'m living proof.

10-06-2004, 10:54 AM	#31
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	And the Answer is : So what your telling me is, a poster, who will remain nameless...because his name wasn\'t given, from another site, and the name of that site was also not given, states that a \"radio talk show personality\" who also happens to be well connected in NFL circles, spread a story about what had happened on the plane, and I\'m supposed to eat that??? And ask for seconds .... I am real interested in this , already am attempting to validate what the radio personality said .
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10-06-2004, 11:31 AM	#32
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	And the Answer is : You have GOT to admit, 08, that you are the most presumptuous poster on this board. You mean I\'m not the only one who sees it? Go figure. 08 has every right to be \"presumptuous\" of course. Then again, the rest of us have every right to call him on it. LMAO

10-07-2004, 12:26 AM	#33
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	And the Answer is : 08 has every right to be \"presumptuous\" of course. Then again, the rest of us have every right to call him on it. LMAO Working a new theory here , just to let you know . May debut early next week .....
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10-07-2004, 01:10 AM	#34
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	And the Answer is : And ask for seconds .... ****, all you\'ve given me so far is whine and cheese. We haven\'t even made it through appetizers yet. Where\'s the main course, dammit? [Edited on 7/10/2004 by BlackandBlue]

10-07-2004, 10:28 AM	#35
Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102	And the Answer is : I wonder if Gandy and Riley were arguing with him about tipping the snap. I think he may lift his foot about a half second before the snap and Riley and Gandy are getting embarrassed by speed rushers, leading to the off-sides problems. Brooks may want to see the film for himself before he accepts blame. That\'s the shotgun \"silent count\" signal to the center....QB lifts foot when everyone is set after any shift, and he\'s ready for the ball. Center then snaps the ball without waiting for an actual verbal command. If you notice, usually the center will be looking back between his legs like a long snapper when a team is in the shotgun until the QB gives the \"foot lift\" signal that all is ready. Then the center will lift his head to take one last look at the defensive alignment to make sure no blocking scheme changes have to be made, and then snap the ball when he\'s satisfied with the blocking scheme. The rest of the offense just has to do one simple thing....watch the ball. Of course, the tackles are usually split out pretty wide to match up with the outside rush, and they try to \"cheat\" their way back off the line (although the refs are enforcing that more now) to build in a better blocking angle for an outside speed rush, so it\'s difficult for them to actually watch the ball like the guards can do. So what they often end up doing (a little too much, if you ask me) is to use their peripheral vision to sort of rely on a \"feel\" for when everyone else starts. Which gets them in trouble when anyone along the defensive front flinches or bluffs toward the line. But the foot lift isn\'t some kind of \"tip\" the defense is picking up, like Babe Ruth sticking his tongue out of the corner of his mouth when he was going to throw his curve (when he was still a pitcher with the Red Sox)--it\'s simply a signal to the center that everyone else on the offense is ready, and it\'s up to him to initiate the snap. If the defense is starting to time the period between the foot lift and the actual snap and is getting a \"jump\" on the blockers, it\'s up to Bentley, not Brooks, to vary the timing between the signal and the snap to keep that from happening. Perhaps he\'s unwittingly fallen into a tendency to snap it on the same rhythm after the foot lift, and defenses are picking up on it. The alternative is to drop the \"silent count\" concept completely for the shotgun, and go to a verbal snap count for that formation as well...but that can cause problems when you\'re playing on the road in some of the noisier venues. It wouldn\'t have mattered last Sunday, probably...but down the road you know it would lead to burned timeouts when the line couldn\'t hear the count.
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10-07-2004, 10:40 AM	#36
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	And the Answer is : So then, what you\'re saying, is that in your opinion -- as opposed to some of our more agenda prone moderators and their defenders -- is that you don\'t think all the false starts and holding calls against the Saints last week are necessarilly all Brooks\' fault? Neither do I. Then again, you\'d have to be willing to overlook many things if you were to blame Brooks\' alone. Some might even say, if you were to do that, that you have an agenda.

10-07-2004, 02:02 PM	#37
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	And the Answer is : Danno has an agenda now? B/c that was HIS comment quoted above. Who on this board doesn\'t have an agenda besides you? LOL
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10-07-2004, 02:05 PM	#38
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	And the Answer is : That\'s the shotgun \"silent count\" signal to the center....QB lifts foot when everyone is set after any shift, and he\'s ready for the ball. Center then snaps the ball without waiting for an actual verbal command. If you notice, usually the center will be looking back between his legs like a long snapper when a team is in the shotgun until the QB gives the \"foot lift\" signal that all is ready. Then the center will lift his head to take one last look at the defensive alignment to make sure no blocking scheme changes have to be made, and then snap the ball when he\'s satisfied with the blocking scheme. The rest of the offense just has to do one simple thing....watch the ball. Of course, the tackles are usually split out pretty wide to match up with the outside rush, and they try to \"cheat\" their way back off the line (although the refs are enforcing that more now) to build in a better blocking angle for an outside speed rush, so it\'s difficult for them to actually watch the ball like the guards can do. So what they often end up doing (a little too much, if you ask me) is to use their peripheral vision to sort of rely on a \"feel\" for when everyone else starts. Which gets them in trouble when anyone along the defensive front flinches or bluffs toward the line. But the foot lift isn\'t some kind of \"tip\" the defense is picking up, like Babe Ruth sticking his tongue out of the corner of his mouth when he was going to throw his curve (when he was still a pitcher with the Red Sox)--it\'s simply a signal to the center that everyone else on the offense is ready, and it\'s up to him to initiate the snap. If the defense is starting to time the period between the foot lift and the actual snap and is getting a \"jump\" on the blockers, it\'s up to Bentley, not Brooks, to vary the timing between the signal and the snap to keep that from happening. Perhaps he\'s unwittingly fallen into a tendency to snap it on the same rhythm after the foot lift, and defenses are picking up on it. The alternative is to drop the \"silent count\" concept completely for the shotgun, and go to a verbal snap count for that formation as well...but that can cause problems when you\'re playing on the road in some of the noisier venues. It wouldn\'t have mattered last Sunday, probably...but down the road you know it would lead to burned timeouts when the line couldn\'t hear the count. This is what I was referring to Whodat. Me thinks you need to stop reaching in your attempt to stir up poo. I don\'t see many agenda\'s Whodat. Typically it\'s you and 08, and 08 mostly, but you\'ve had your moments. Denying it only proves it. You can fool some of the newer folks \'round here, but I\'ve been around a bit longer.

10-07-2004, 02:35 PM	#39
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	And the Answer is : Who on this board doesn\'t have an agenda besides you? Me. I have always tried to approach this team in a fair minded and even handed way. I\'ve managed to stay far more objective about my comments than even I thought I would. Agenda-less posting can be done and I\'m living proof.