Ingram- What do we do with him?

Mr.Riaton · 09-16-2013, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Bull****. Thomas and Sproles can get it done he can't, plain and simple. Yes the Oline has to help, but he has got to win his one on ones and hes not getting it done. A good back is supposed to push the pile and make plays when plays arent there. That is his job and he is not doing it. Some of you guys act like the line is supposed to part like the Red Sea and let him run through it. It doesnt work that way, he has to do his part too. This dude is a ****ing bust here. You can say its the lines faullt all you want but I dont give a **** if hes the best RB to ever play the game, if hes not getting it done here then why should he be here. Why people still defend this guy is beyond me.

P.Thomas-29 yds.
D.Sproles-26 yds.
M.Ingram-20 yds

Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done.

Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB.

People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of veiw and you need to learn to respect that.

papz · 09-16-2013, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

P.Thomas-29 yds.
D.Sproles-26 yds.
M.Ingram-20 yds

Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done.

Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB.

People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of veiw and you need to learn to respect that.

You should probably attach the YPC to that as well. Statistically, those numbers are very misleading... and you know it.

Guess that phrase is right. Stats don't lie... people use stats to lie.

Mr.Riaton · 09-16-2013, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by papz

You should probably attach the YPC to that as well. Statistically, those numbers are very misleading... and you know it.

Guess that phrase is right. Stats don't lie... people use stats to lie.

P.Thomas-5.9
D.Sproles-3.6
M.Ingram-2.8

P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat!

TheOak · 09-16-2013, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

P.Thomas-29 yds.
D.Sproles-26 yds.
M.Ingram-20 yds

Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done.

Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB.

People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of view and you need to learn to respect that.

When you have RB by committee and RBs that have versatility you should probably look at stats differently. As far as for efficiency its all about YPC.

Thomas 5.8 YPC
Sproles 3.7 YPC
Ingram 2.5 YPC

If you want to look at production per touch then you need to add receptions in there also.

Thomas 9 touches 5.3 yards per touch (48 total yards)
Sproles 13 touches 4.7 Yards per touch (62 total yards)
Ingram 8 touches 2.5 yards per touch (20 total yards)

If you want to look at total yards as you did then you should probably recognize that Ingram had more carries than either PT or Sproles and had less yards.

Thomas 5 for 29 yards
Sproles 7 for 26 yards
Ingram 8 for 20 yards

Just looking at total yards is what announcers do to make a comment more glamorous. If Ingram has 40 carries than he would have a 100 yard game... You know who gets 40 carries per game? No one. Guess who gets 30 carries per game.. No one yet this year on any team. The best running backs in the league ave 25 carries per game.

Mr.Riaton · 09-16-2013, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

When you have RB by committee and RBs that have versatility you should probably look at stats differently. As far as for efficiency its all about YPC.

Thomas 5.8 YPC
Sproles 3.7 YPC
Ingram 2.5 YPC

If you want to look at production per touch then you need to add receptions in there also.

Thomas 9 touches 5.3 yards per touch (48 total yards)
Sproles 13 touches 4.7 Yards per touch (62 total yards)
Ingram 8 touches 2.5 yards per touch (20 total yards)

If you want to look at total yards as you did then you should probably recognize that Ingram had more carries than either PT or Sproles and had less yards.

Thomas 5 for 29 yards
Sproles 7 for 26 yards
Ingram 8 for 20 yards

Just looking at total yards is what announcers do to make a comment more glamorous. If Ingram has 40 carries than he would have a 100 yard game... You know who gets 40 carries per game? No one. Guess who gets 30 carries per game.. No one yet this year on any team. The best running backs in the league ave 25 carries per game.

Thomas and Sproles are used in the screen and pass game. That makes a difference. If Ingram was used that way, we may have a different player on our hands.

The Dude · 09-16-2013, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

P.Thomas-29 yds.
D.Sproles-26 yds.
M.Ingram-20 yds

Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done.

Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB.

People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of veiw and you need to learn to respect that.

On how many carries? How bout ypc? Thats what tells the real story. If you dont like someone disagreeing with your opinion dont post it.

papz · 09-15-2013, 09:03 PM

I don't have anything nice to say so I'm not going to say a thing.

pumpkindriver · 09-15-2013, 09:21 PM

Time to pull the plug on the Mark Ingram experiment. I really hoped he would succeed, kept hoping he'd get better. He just hasn't. He doesn't break tackles and goes down easily. As great as Loomis and co. are at finding talent, they whiffed on this one. Maybe give Cadet some work and muddle thru this as best as we can. Not much we can do about it until next year.

Marlboro Man · 09-15-2013, 09:22 PM

Water boy.

foreverfan · 09-15-2013, 09:39 PM

09-16-2013, 04:35 AM	#1
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by The Dude Bull**. Thomas and Sproles can get it done he can't, plain and simple. Yes the Oline has to help, but he has got to win his one on ones and hes not getting it done. A good back is supposed to push the pile and make plays when plays arent there. That is his job and he is not doing it. Some of you guys act like the line is supposed to part like the Red Sea and let him run through it. It doesnt work that way, he has to do his part too. This dude is a ing bust here. You can say its the lines faullt all you want but I dont give a ** if hes the best RB to ever play the game, if hes not getting it done here then why should he be here. Why people still defend this guy is beyond me. P.Thomas-29 yds. D.Sproles-26 yds. M.Ingram-20 yds Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done. Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB. People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of veiw and you need to learn to respect that. Budsdrinker and FinSaint like this.

09-16-2013, 06:50 AM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,802	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton P.Thomas-29 yds. D.Sproles-26 yds. M.Ingram-20 yds Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done. Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB. People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of veiw and you need to learn to respect that. You should probably attach the YPC to that as well. Statistically, those numbers are very misleading... and you know it. Guess that phrase is right. Stats don't lie... people use stats to lie. pherein and WhoDat2301 like this.

09-16-2013, 07:23 AM	#3
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by papz You should probably attach the YPC to that as well. Statistically, those numbers are very misleading... and you know it. Guess that phrase is right. Stats don't lie... people use stats to lie. P.Thomas-5.9 D.Sproles-3.6 M.Ingram-2.8 P.Thomas is an exception....the dude is a beast. Your right, stats can be misleading,but aren't YPC stats also? I have no idea why you think I'm using stats to lie....I'm making a point that Ingram is not all to blame here. He may not be the back we all expected him to be, but he's not as bad as some make him out to be.He had a couple decent runs, but people act like he did absolutely nothing at all. If that's the case, lets all bash Sproles for his 3.6 YPC game. Well look at that-I used a YPC stat!

09-16-2013, 07:23 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,061	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton P.Thomas-29 yds. D.Sproles-26 yds. M.Ingram-20 yds Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done. Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB. People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of view and you need to learn to respect that. When you have RB by committee and RBs that have versatility you should probably look at stats differently. As far as for efficiency its all about YPC. Thomas 5.8 YPC Sproles 3.7 YPC Ingram 2.5 YPC If you want to look at production per touch then you need to add receptions in there also. Thomas 9 touches 5.3 yards per touch (48 total yards) Sproles 13 touches 4.7 Yards per touch (62 total yards) Ingram 8 touches 2.5 yards per touch (20 total yards) If you want to look at total yards as you did then you should probably recognize that Ingram had more carries than either PT or Sproles and had less yards. Thomas 5 for 29 yards Sproles 7 for 26 yards Ingram 8 for 20 yards Just looking at total yards is what announcers do to make a comment more glamorous. If Ingram has 40 carries than he would have a 100 yard game... You know who gets 40 carries per game? No one. Guess who gets 30 carries per game.. No one yet this year on any team. The best running backs in the league ave 25 carries per game.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

09-16-2013, 07:28 AM	#5
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,308	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by TheOak When you have RB by committee and RBs that have versatility you should probably look at stats differently. As far as for efficiency its all about YPC. Thomas 5.8 YPC Sproles 3.7 YPC Ingram 2.5 YPC If you want to look at production per touch then you need to add receptions in there also. Thomas 9 touches 5.3 yards per touch (48 total yards) Sproles 13 touches 4.7 Yards per touch (62 total yards) Ingram 8 touches 2.5 yards per touch (20 total yards) If you want to look at total yards as you did then you should probably recognize that Ingram had more carries than either PT or Sproles and had less yards. Thomas 5 for 29 yards Sproles 7 for 26 yards Ingram 8 for 20 yards Just looking at total yards is what announcers do to make a comment more glamorous. If Ingram has 40 carries than he would have a 100 yard game... You know who gets 40 carries per game? No one. Guess who gets 30 carries per game.. No one yet this year on any team. The best running backs in the league ave 25 carries per game. Thomas and Sproles are used in the screen and pass game. That makes a difference. If Ingram was used that way, we may have a different player on our hands.

09-16-2013, 01:37 PM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,076	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton P.Thomas-29 yds. D.Sproles-26 yds. M.Ingram-20 yds Yea...your right. Thomas and Sproles are getting it done. Its the o line's job to push the pile,NOT the RB. People still "defend" Ingram because we all have a different point of veiw and you need to learn to respect that. On how many carries? How bout ypc? Thats what tells the real story. If you dont like someone disagreeing with your opinion dont post it.
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09-15-2013, 09:03 PM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,802	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? I don't have anything nice to say so I'm not going to say a thing. Halo, RockyMountainSaint, foreverfan and 4 others like this.

09-15-2013, 09:21 PM	#8
pumpkindriver 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Tx. Posts: 932	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Time to pull the plug on the Mark Ingram experiment. I really hoped he would succeed, kept hoping he'd get better. He just hasn't. He doesn't break tackles and goes down easily. As great as Loomis and co. are at finding talent, they whiffed on this one. Maybe give Cadet some work and muddle thru this as best as we can. Not much we can do about it until next year.

09-15-2013, 09:22 PM	#9
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	Re: Ingram- What do we do with him? Water boy.

09-15-2013, 09:39 PM	#10
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