Garrett Hartley

jeanpierre · 11-04-2013, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

The Mexican dude we had in camp has to be better than Suckalicious.

That statement cracks me up...

TheOak · 11-04-2013, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

made a 55 and a 43. Ill take it. He is not the reason why we lost. The o-line and the lack of a running game. If the Saints want to go far into the playoffs they better find people that can block and feed PT the ball. Drew threw the ball 51 times.

Same o-line and lack of running game has been worth 6 wins so far.

A kicker missing a FG on the opening drive has no effect on morale?

Part of Hartleys issue is that he kicks better with pressure, the situational stats prove that. Problem is that when he misses one on an opening drive and we find our self down by 9 in the bottom of the 4th we have to score on two possessions rather than a TD on one. IF we were down by 6 in the bottom of the 4th it would have been different play calling and we would have gone for it on 4th.

Srgt. Hulka · 11-04-2013, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

made a 55 and a 43. Ill take it. He is not the reason why we lost. The o-line and the lack of a running game. If the Saints want to go far into the playoffs they better find people that can block and feed PT the ball. Drew threw the ball 51 times.

Yes he did. Did you notice that the ST coach had the punting team ready to go punt, then Payton had Hartley go out and kick the 55 yarder? This is just my opinion, and I don't have any proof of this, but I think that 55 yarder was Hartley's career. I think Coach sent him out to sink or swim. He misses it, we never see Hartley again. He makes it, he plays again next week. Lucky for him, he made it. And he made the 43 yarder, both of them right down the middle. We'll see Hartley again next week, thanks to that 55 yarder.

JMO!

SaintsBro · 11-04-2013, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka

Yes he did. Did you notice that the ST coach had the punting team ready to go punt, then Payton had Hartley go out and kick the 55 yarder? This is just my opinion, and I don't have any proof of this, but I think that 55 yarder was Hartley's career. I think Coach sent him out to sink or swim. He misses it, we never see Hartley again. He makes it, he plays again next week. Lucky for him, he made it. And he made the 43 yarder, both of them right down the middle. We'll see Hartley again next week, thanks to that 55 yarder.

JMO!

I am sure this will enrage and infuriate many people here, but I think it showed confidence, that Payton believed in Hartley enough to yank the punt team and put him out there to try a career long. After he missed the early one, Hartley was right over there on the sideline, talking quietly to Payton about it....Payton didn't "ice face" him or go into IGNORE MODE, like he does when other minor players make mistakes or wear the wrong cleats....Payton talked it out with him....unfortunately for those who dislike Emo Kid Hartley, that type of body language and attention from a coach is NOT how you treat a kicker that you're going to cut on Monday.

Halo · 11-04-2013, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I am sure this will enrage and infuriate many people here, but I think it showed confidence, that Payton believed in Hartley enough to yank the punt team and put him out there to try a career long. After he missed the early one, Hartley was right over there on the sideline, talking quietly to Payton about it....Payton didn't "ice face" him or go into IGNORE MODE, like he does when other minor players make mistakes or wear the wrong cleats....Payton talked it out with him....unfortunately for those who dislike Emo Kid Hartley, that type of body language and attention from a coach is NOT how you treat a kicker that you're going to cut on Monday.

That doesn't infuriate me. I personally gave up on the dude in 2011 after a shankfest, and I've said my peace about that. That said, not going to harp on him, and as a Saints fan, I hope the dude makes every kick he attempts and pray he jumps from a mid 60% kicker to 85% plus!

Like Ingram, I wish the kid just rack up the points and scapegoating him doesn't do jack if the team still employs him. If SP's gesture gives him confidence, AWESOME! Just MAKE THE KICKS!

We had problems yesterday and if Hartley made the early FG, the game approach and momentum would have been different. BUT from what I saw, we had chances to win that game besides Hartley's miss. The reasons we failed to capitalize on those chances concerns me more than a missed FG at this point.

The Dude · 11-04-2013, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

That doesn't infuriate me. I personally gave up on the dude in 2011 after a shankfest, and I've said my peace about that. That said, not going to harp on him, and as a Saints fan, I hope the dude makes every kick he attempts and pray he jumps from a mid 60% kicker to 85% plus!

Like Ingram, I wish the kid just rack up the points and scapegoating him doesn't do jack if the team still employs him. If SP's gesture gives him confidence, AWESOME! Just MAKE THE KICKS!

We had problems yesterday and if Hartley made the early FG, the game approach and momentum would have been different. BUT from what I saw, we had chances to win that game besides Hartley's miss. The reasons we failed to capitalize on those chances concerns me more than a missed FG at this point.

Couldnt agree more. Still dont like the dude but you cannot blame the entire outcome of the game on him when everyone was playing just as bad as he was.

JPPT1974 · 11-04-2013, 08:16 PM

Well he is the Kicker no matter what occurs. Just deal with it!

voodooido · 11-05-2013, 07:44 AM

NFL Stats: by Player Position

8th in FG made this year. As for the rest he is middle of the pack.

saintfan · 11-05-2013, 10:26 AM

Wait. We were up in the JETS game by what, 14-3.

Is that right? I think it was 14-3.

We lose the game 26-20 and we want to blame the idiot kicker?

Well, idiot is right, but that adjective is in front of the wrong noun...

TheOak · 11-05-2013, 10:53 AM

The Texans are holding kicker tryouts today.

11-04-2013, 12:06 PM	#131
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Garrett Hartley Originally Posted by Danno The Mexican dude we had in camp has to be better than Suckalicious. That statement cracks me up...

11-04-2013, 01:37 PM	#132
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Garrett Hartley Originally Posted by voodooido made a 55 and a 43. Ill take it. He is not the reason why we lost. The o-line and the lack of a running game. If the Saints want to go far into the playoffs they better find people that can block and feed PT the ball. Drew threw the ball 51 times. Same o-line and lack of running game has been worth 6 wins so far. A kicker missing a FG on the opening drive has no effect on morale? Part of Hartleys issue is that he kicks better with pressure, the situational stats prove that. Problem is that when he misses one on an opening drive and we find our self down by 9 in the bottom of the 4th we have to score on two possessions rather than a TD on one. IF we were down by 6 in the bottom of the 4th it would have been different play calling and we would have gone for it on 4th. WHODATINCA likes this.
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11-04-2013, 02:00 PM	#133
Srgt. Hulka 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shreveport, LA Posts: 4,417	Re: Garrett Hartley Originally Posted by voodooido made a 55 and a 43. Ill take it. He is not the reason why we lost. The o-line and the lack of a running game. If the Saints want to go far into the playoffs they better find people that can block and feed PT the ball. Drew threw the ball 51 times. Yes he did. Did you notice that the ST coach had the punting team ready to go punt, then Payton had Hartley go out and kick the 55 yarder? This is just my opinion, and I don't have any proof of this, but I think that 55 yarder was Hartley's career. I think Coach sent him out to sink or swim. He misses it, we never see Hartley again. He makes it, he plays again next week. Lucky for him, he made it. And he made the 43 yarder, both of them right down the middle. We'll see Hartley again next week, thanks to that 55 yarder. JMO!
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11-04-2013, 02:19 PM	#134
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Garrett Hartley Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka Yes he did. Did you notice that the ST coach had the punting team ready to go punt, then Payton had Hartley go out and kick the 55 yarder? This is just my opinion, and I don't have any proof of this, but I think that 55 yarder was Hartley's career. I think Coach sent him out to sink or swim. He misses it, we never see Hartley again. He makes it, he plays again next week. Lucky for him, he made it. And he made the 43 yarder, both of them right down the middle. We'll see Hartley again next week, thanks to that 55 yarder. JMO! I am sure this will enrage and infuriate many people here, but I think it showed confidence, that Payton believed in Hartley enough to yank the punt team and put him out there to try a career long. After he missed the early one, Hartley was right over there on the sideline, talking quietly to Payton about it....Payton didn't "ice face" him or go into IGNORE MODE, like he does when other minor players make mistakes or wear the wrong cleats....Payton talked it out with him....unfortunately for those who dislike Emo Kid Hartley, that type of body language and attention from a coach is NOT how you treat a kicker that you're going to cut on Monday. UK_WhoDat and exile like this.

11-04-2013, 02:30 PM	#135
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Garrett Hartley Originally Posted by SaintsBro I am sure this will enrage and infuriate many people here, but I think it showed confidence, that Payton believed in Hartley enough to yank the punt team and put him out there to try a career long. After he missed the early one, Hartley was right over there on the sideline, talking quietly to Payton about it....Payton didn't "ice face" him or go into IGNORE MODE, like he does when other minor players make mistakes or wear the wrong cleats....Payton talked it out with him....unfortunately for those who dislike Emo Kid Hartley, that type of body language and attention from a coach is NOT how you treat a kicker that you're going to cut on Monday. That doesn't infuriate me. I personally gave up on the dude in 2011 after a shankfest, and I've said my peace about that. That said, not going to harp on him, and as a Saints fan, I hope the dude makes every kick he attempts and pray he jumps from a mid 60% kicker to 85% plus! Like Ingram, I wish the kid just rack up the points and scapegoating him doesn't do jack if the team still employs him. If SP's gesture gives him confidence, AWESOME! Just MAKE THE KICKS! We had problems yesterday and if Hartley made the early FG, the game approach and momentum would have been different. BUT from what I saw, we had chances to win that game besides Hartley's miss. The reasons we failed to capitalize on those chances concerns me more than a missed FG at this point. UK_WhoDat, Srgt. Hulka and The Dude like this.
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11-04-2013, 03:06 PM	#136
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Garrett Hartley Originally Posted by Halo That doesn't infuriate me. I personally gave up on the dude in 2011 after a shankfest, and I've said my peace about that. That said, not going to harp on him, and as a Saints fan, I hope the dude makes every kick he attempts and pray he jumps from a mid 60% kicker to 85% plus! Like Ingram, I wish the kid just rack up the points and scapegoating him doesn't do jack if the team still employs him. If SP's gesture gives him confidence, AWESOME! Just MAKE THE KICKS! We had problems yesterday and if Hartley made the early FG, the game approach and momentum would have been different. BUT from what I saw, we had chances to win that game besides Hartley's miss. The reasons we failed to capitalize on those chances concerns me more than a missed FG at this point. Couldnt agree more. Still dont like the dude but you cannot blame the entire outcome of the game on him when everyone was playing just as bad as he was.
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11-04-2013, 08:16 PM	#137
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11-05-2013, 10:26 AM	#139
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Garrett Hartley Wait. We were up in the JETS game by what, 14-3. Is that right? I think it was 14-3. We lose the game 26-20 and we want to blame the idiot kicker? Well, idiot is right, but that adjective is in front of the wrong noun...

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