Garrett Hartley

TheOak · 10-28-2013, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

As usual I am not worried. This is nothing out of the ordinary for an NFL kicker.

I beg to differ. . Kickers opponents are the elements and his mind. This was in a dome and well... Garrett Erratica beats himself quite often. Missing 2 in a row, on your home field, no wind, no rain, no sun, one @47 the other @38?

Know where Hartleys 78% FG kicking accuracy lands him? 25th in the league.
1-19 - 100%
20-29 - 100%
30-39 - 80% (22nd in the league)
40-49 - 62% (27th in the league) Are these numbers you want to take into OT or playoffs?

Now here, I will blow your mind - He is a home/dome-turf kicker for Christ sakes, on a team that shines on MNF!

Grass -87.5%
Turf - 70%

Home - 62.5
Road - 90%

Point Situation:
Ahead - 72.7% <- WTF?
Tied - 75%
Behind - 100%

Monday - 50%
Sunday 82%

For our sake someone better pray we get no home playoff games that fall on his leg. All of those situation stats tell me he can not focus for spit.

In the spirit of all the blah blah about holding Ingram back... Harelty needs to go kick for an outdoor team with a losing record to really shine. Jacksonville or NYG would be a perfect fit for him.

thebdj · 10-28-2013, 07:29 AM

LOVE the post above. I thought Oak was going to tear me apart for being down on Hartley. He agreed! Can I have an 'Agree' next to Like/Share

Hahahaha.

Love these stats my man. Heart in mouth every time. Great point on being in a Dome. Also loving the WTF on the Stat sheet! Unbelievable to think he is at his best in the worst conditions, on the road when we are trailing!

thebdj · 10-28-2013, 07:34 AM

I do totally agree with you on this JP. It is easy just to hang Hartley up for yesterday's performance. He was shameful but so was a whole host of other things. The better part of the first 22 minutes of gametime was dreadful.

The O-line is probably my biggest concern on the field by some way at the moment. Brees had no time and were it not for PT being able to find lanes that simply do not exist, our running game could have been worse. Interesting to see K-Rob stuffed in the backfield sometimes. I'm not defending Ingram but you start to see why some of his stats were so woeful!

On the bright side, we played poorly for a large percentage of the game and did what we do best which is rally. There were more positives than negatives and I like the fact we are all, well most of us, on a quest for perfection whilst being realistic. You don't have a game where everything comes together very often.

I also think our BYE week was just in the right position. It gave us some healing time and some regrouping time. Sure this game was sloppy. The Jets game has all the hall marks of being a real slog. The cowboys game could end up being an unnecessarily close game but let's use those to start blowing out the cobwebs and accelerate into the final stretch and go hard or go home into the playoffs, whatever our seeding.

This is all happening at the right time. So many chances to get better on all of this.

Budsdrinker · 10-28-2013, 08:21 AM

Something was wrong with Hartley yesterday and it might be an injury.
At the end of halftime when he came out and practice he missed 3 out of 5 with one kick landing in the stands in front of me and the 2 he made just barely made it with hardly any steam behind them.

TheOak · 10-28-2013, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by thebdj

LOVE the post above. I thought Oak was going to tear me apart for being down on Hartley. He agreed! Can I have an 'Agree' next to Like/Share Hahahaha.

Love these stats my man. Heart in mouth every time. Great point on being in a Dome. Also loving the WTF on the Stat sheet! Unbelievable to think he is at his best in the worst conditions, on the road when we are trailing!

Not on Hartley brother, I have posted his situational stats each year since 2009 and point out the same exact trends... I have pointed out that he is ADHD and went to hell in a hand basket since he couldn't take Adderall anymore, I have pointed out multiple times that we have a kicker that played 16 games only once in his entire 6 year career, and I am curious to see what his status is this week after having actual human contact yesterday.

I get told he is loved because he kicked a FG in 2009.

lee909 · 10-28-2013, 08:31 AM

The mans cap numbers are $2.6ml this year and $1.3/1.4ml in the nect two years though unlike this year none id guaranteed

dizzle88 · 10-28-2013, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Something was wrong with Hartley yesterday and it might be an injury.
At the end of halftime when he came out and practice he missed 3 out of 5 with one kick landing in the stands in front of me and the 2 he made just barely made it with hardly any steam behind them.

It was officially your duty to inform Coach Payton that he sucks and lock him in the locker room lmao

TheOak · 10-28-2013, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

The mans cap numbers are $2.6ml this year and $1.3/1.4ml in the nect two years though unlike this year none id guaranteed

A valid argument... and probably the reason he is still in a Saints Uniform.

thebdj · 10-28-2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Not on Hartley brother, I have posted his situational stats each year since 2009 and point out the same exact trends... I have pointed out that he is ADHD and went to hell in a hand basket since he couldn't take Adderall anymore, I have pointed out multiple times that we have a kicker that played 16 games only once in his entire 6 year career, and I am curious to see what his status is this week after having actual human contact yesterday.

I get told he is loved because he kicked a FG in 2009.

There is definitely too much love for him because of what he did in 2009. I wouldn't say I have been down on him quite as long as that but sometimes your own subconscious must tell you something when you expect him to miss every time and then you are pleasantly surprised when he doesn't.

I know kickers don't get a lot of love. In many ways I think that is ridiculous because they can be unsung heroes, especially a punter! I also do not expect a kicker to make every single one of his kicks. That may be due to distance, conditions, situations or whatever BUT I do expect him to give me the confidence that it is something that has put him off his stride as opposed to his own undoing that caused a miss.

Like I said, 2 kickers for me that always stand out (and now someone will undoubtedly show me their stats are worse than Hartleys) are Matt Prater and Robbie Gould. Those guys just hit their kicks. From whatever distance. More importantly I expect them to hit and am surprised when/if they don't. Not the other way round as with Hartley. I thought Kasay was a great kicker when we brought him in for that 2011 season. I was much more confident!

TheOak · 10-28-2013, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Something was wrong with Hartley yesterday and it might be an injury.
At the end of halftime when he came out and practice he missed 3 out of 5 with one kick landing in the stands in front of me and the 2 he made just barely made it with hardly any steam behind them.

Yes! But it is not a physical injury.

http://blackandgold.com/saints/48802...hartley-4.html

He didnt pick this up at the 7-11
Do pro sports leagues have an Adderall problem?

10-28-2013, 07:25 AM	#71
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Fartley? Really? Originally Posted by Crusader As usual I am not worried. This is nothing out of the ordinary for an NFL kicker. I beg to differ. . Kickers opponents are the elements and his mind. This was in a dome and well... Garrett Erratica beats himself quite often. Missing 2 in a row, on your home field, no wind, no rain, no sun, one @47 the other @38? Know where Hartleys 78% FG kicking accuracy lands him? 25th in the league. 1-19 - 100% 20-29 - 100% 30-39 - 80% (22nd in the league) 40-49 - 62% (27th in the league) Are these numbers you want to take into OT or playoffs? Now here, I will blow your mind - He is a home/dome-turf kicker for Christ sakes, on a team that shines on MNF! Grass -87.5% Turf - 70% Home - 62.5 Road - 90% Point Situation: Ahead - 72.7% <- WTF? Tied - 75% Behind - 100% Monday - 50% Sunday 82% For our sake someone better pray we get no home playoff games that fall on his leg. All of those situation stats tell me he can not focus for spit. In the spirit of all the blah blah about holding Ingram back... Harelty needs to go kick for an outdoor team with a losing record to really shine. Jacksonville or NYG would be a perfect fit for him. Halo, UK_WhoDat, thebdj and 1 others like this.
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10-28-2013, 07:29 AM	#72
thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: Fartley? Really? LOVE the post above. I thought Oak was going to tear me apart for being down on Hartley. He agreed! Can I have an 'Agree' next to Like/Share Hahahaha. Love these stats my man. Heart in mouth every time. Great point on being in a Dome. Also loving the WTF on the Stat sheet! Unbelievable to think he is at his best in the worst conditions, on the road when we are trailing! TheOak likes this.

10-28-2013, 07:34 AM	#73
thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: Garrett Hartley I do totally agree with you on this JP. It is easy just to hang Hartley up for yesterday's performance. He was shameful but so was a whole host of other things. The better part of the first 22 minutes of gametime was dreadful. The O-line is probably my biggest concern on the field by some way at the moment. Brees had no time and were it not for PT being able to find lanes that simply do not exist, our running game could have been worse. Interesting to see K-Rob stuffed in the backfield sometimes. I'm not defending Ingram but you start to see why some of his stats were so woeful! On the bright side, we played poorly for a large percentage of the game and did what we do best which is rally. There were more positives than negatives and I like the fact we are all, well most of us, on a quest for perfection whilst being realistic. You don't have a game where everything comes together very often. I also think our BYE week was just in the right position. It gave us some healing time and some regrouping time. Sure this game was sloppy. The Jets game has all the hall marks of being a real slog. The cowboys game could end up being an unnecessarily close game but let's use those to start blowing out the cobwebs and accelerate into the final stretch and go hard or go home into the playoffs, whatever our seeding. This is all happening at the right time. So many chances to get better on all of this.

10-28-2013, 08:21 AM	#74
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Garrett Hartley Something was wrong with Hartley yesterday and it might be an injury. At the end of halftime when he came out and practice he missed 3 out of 5 with one kick landing in the stands in front of me and the 2 he made just barely made it with hardly any steam behind them. AlaskaSaints likes this.

10-28-2013, 08:21 AM	#75
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Fartley? Really? Originally Posted by thebdj LOVE the post above. I thought Oak was going to tear me apart for being down on Hartley. He agreed! Can I have an 'Agree' next to Like/Share Hahahaha. Love these stats my man. Heart in mouth every time. Great point on being in a Dome. Also loving the WTF on the Stat sheet! Unbelievable to think he is at his best in the worst conditions, on the road when we are trailing! Not on Hartley brother, I have posted his situational stats each year since 2009 and point out the same exact trends... I have pointed out that he is ADHD and went to hell in a hand basket since he couldn't take Adderall anymore, I have pointed out multiple times that we have a kicker that played 16 games only once in his entire 6 year career, and I am curious to see what his status is this week after having actual human contact yesterday. I get told he is loved because he kicked a FG in 2009. thebdj likes this.

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10-28-2013, 08:31 AM	#76
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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: Garrett Hartley Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Something was wrong with Hartley yesterday and it might be an injury. At the end of halftime when he came out and practice he missed 3 out of 5 with one kick landing in the stands in front of me and the 2 he made just barely made it with hardly any steam behind them. It was officially your duty to inform Coach Payton that he sucks and lock him in the locker room lmao jeanpierre likes this.

10-28-2013, 08:36 AM	#78
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Fartley? Really? Originally Posted by lee909 The mans cap numbers are $2.6ml this year and $1.3/1.4ml in the nect two years though unlike this year none id guaranteed A valid argument... and probably the reason he is still in a Saints Uniform.

10-28-2013, 08:50 AM	#79
thebdj 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: London, England Posts: 272	Re: Fartley? Really? Originally Posted by TheOak Not on Hartley brother, I have posted his situational stats each year since 2009 and point out the same exact trends... I have pointed out that he is ADHD and went to hell in a hand basket since he couldn't take Adderall anymore, I have pointed out multiple times that we have a kicker that played 16 games only once in his entire 6 year career, and I am curious to see what his status is this week after having actual human contact yesterday. I get told he is loved because he kicked a FG in 2009. There is definitely too much love for him because of what he did in 2009. I wouldn't say I have been down on him quite as long as that but sometimes your own subconscious must tell you something when you expect him to miss every time and then you are pleasantly surprised when he doesn't. I know kickers don't get a lot of love. In many ways I think that is ridiculous because they can be unsung heroes, especially a punter! I also do not expect a kicker to make every single one of his kicks. That may be due to distance, conditions, situations or whatever BUT I do expect him to give me the confidence that it is something that has put him off his stride as opposed to his own undoing that caused a miss. Like I said, 2 kickers for me that always stand out (and now someone will undoubtedly show me their stats are worse than Hartleys) are Matt Prater and Robbie Gould. Those guys just hit their kicks. From whatever distance. More importantly I expect them to hit and am surprised when/if they don't. Not the other way round as with Hartley. I thought Kasay was a great kicker when we brought him in for that 2011 season. I was much more confident!

10-28-2013, 09:17 AM	#80
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Garrett Hartley Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Something was wrong with Hartley yesterday and it might be an injury. At the end of halftime when he came out and practice he missed 3 out of 5 with one kick landing in the stands in front of me and the 2 he made just barely made it with hardly any steam behind them. Yes! But it is not a physical injury. http://blackandgold.com/saints/48802...hartley-4.html He didnt pick this up at the 7-11 Do pro sports leagues have an Adderall problem?

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