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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Ouch. It gets even uglier, the more I look into it. I looked at our backs, in JUST the red zone, or inside the 30. Obviously these numbers are compressed because of the short field, and ___ happens, but still. ...

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Old 09-18-2013, 11:15 AM   #1
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Re: Saints Red Zone Trips, Broken Down

Ouch. It gets even uglier, the more I look into it.

I looked at our backs, in JUST the red zone, or inside the 30. Obviously these numbers are compressed because of the short field, and ___ happens, but still.

Mark Ingram - 5 carries, for 4 yards (not counting the -5 false start penalty on him)
Pierre Thomas - 3 rushes for 5 yards. 3 catches for 7 yards.
Sproles - 3 rushes for 7 yards, 3 catches for 17.

So Ingram rushing = .8 YPC
Pierre = 1.6
Sproles = 2.3

Sproles passing = 5.6
Pierre passing = 2.3

I didn't fool with dropped passes, or which side they're rushing to, because ain't nobody got time for dat. But when you look at the sequences, or who did what, it looks like

(a) Ingram is not producing (which we already knew)
(b) Pierre is not producing as well as people think he is, when he IS given the ball in the red zone, and
(c) Sproles is being increasingly called on to bail the other two out, especially when you look at the sequencing of the plays, they will tend to go penalty/sack/Ingram, something bad happens, THEN Sproles... it's almost always going to Sproles AFTER a negative play or something bad happens. But sproles has the best yards and receptions of any of them!

No question, though, once we get inside the 15 yard line we have not been doing well at getting it into the end zone.
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Re: Saints Red Zone Trips, Broken Down

Great breakdown. I'm looking at it different than most. Instead of pointing ALL blame on our RBs we may need to realize that our O-Line just isn't getting it done.

Also, our play calling has been a bit predictable. If you watch that goal line stop you will see that Tampa has too many free rushers for our number of blockers. From SPs comments I take it that they just guessed a perfect defense.
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Old 09-18-2013, 11:39 AM   #3
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Ouch. It gets even uglier, the more I look into it.

I looked at our backs, in JUST the red zone, or inside the 30. Obviously these numbers are compressed because of the short field, and ___ happens, but still.


I didn't fool with dropped passes, or which side they're rushing to, because ain't nobody got time for dat. But when you look at the sequences, or who did what, it looks like
Or didn't fool with Formation, Personnel, Play Design, Defensive Formation, successful blocks, missed blocks, and side of hash marks.


If I submitted this analysis for peer review, it would get rejected and my degree would be under suspicion. If we are going to bash, let's not ignore the data that might weaken our arguments.
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Or didn't fool with Formation, Personnel, Play Design, Defensive Formation, successful blocks, missed blocks, and side of hash marks.


If I submitted this analysis for peer review, it would get rejected and my degree would be under suspicion. If we are going to bash, let's not ignore the data that might weaken our arguments.

You do it. Be my guest.
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Originally Posted by xan View Post
Or didn't fool with Formation, Personnel, Play Design, Defensive Formation, successful blocks, missed blocks, and side of hash marks.


If I submitted this analysis for peer review, it would get rejected and my degree would be under suspicion. If we are going to bash, let's not ignore the data that might weaken our arguments.
In his defense and because I do a lot of the same analysis.

Most of the data you listed in your reply is not available unless you sit ant watch game tape and write it all down, the rest has to be paid for if it can be found.

Instead of digging down I will take it to a higher level.

Red Zone Efficiency Scoring TDs only
2012 Red Zone % New Orleans Saints #2 68.52%
2013 thus far New Orleans Saints #32 14.29%
33.33% against Atlanta
0% against Bucs

The mean this season (Only two games to go on) is 62.65%
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