Khiry Robinson runs nasty

Tobias-Reiper · 09-24-2013, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by ikecomp

While I agree it matters the situation he was in, I also believe if that had been ingram he wouldn't have done as well. So ultimately, the point remains that we think Krob is better. Only way to prove it is to give him some touches.

Who is saying anything about Ingram? Where did I mention Ingram?

Utah_Saint · 09-24-2013, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

Any videos of Khiry running vs Cards

Here's a beauty.

RB Robinson, 21-yd, run - NFL Videos

Utah_Saint · 09-24-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

I just don't understand how anybody can have watched Ingram for two years and sees anything more than an average (at best) RB.

And the "every time he comes it's a run" arguement goes right out the window when look at what Ivory did when given a chance because it was the same situation for him.

And really, in the grand scheme of things, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles and Chris Ivory all had more yards per carry than Ingram.

Maybe we're not using Ingram right. Maybe he needs 20+ carries per game. Maybe he needs to get more involved in the passing game. Maybe he needs to run outside the tackles or sweeps more.

But in the end does it really matter what the cause is? Predictability, poor blocking, injury, strong headwinds, what ever the reason, the bottom line is, it's just not working.

Tobias-Reiper · 09-24-2013, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

How so? I am simply showing you what Robinson does that is good; if a baseball player has a really good swing, then he can probably hit home runs off of good pitchers too, not just bad ones. Does Robinson have a good swing? Sure looks like it from what we've seen.

And that's great and all, but if you didn't notice, PT and Sproles did that as well and much more, and couldn't gain a yard the first half. Now going against a defeated, tired defense that's just going through the motions waiting for the game to end, yeah, anyone can look good.

This analogy makes less than zero sense. I have re-read this sentence at least five times and I am still like "WTF is he talking about?" The two situations have absolutely nothing in common, except they are both things that take place on a football field.

Really? Both situations have nothing in common?
Both a 2 yard loss during a goal line stand and a kneel down count as a running play for a 2 yard loss. But the situations are rather different, right? During the goal line stand, especially when the game is tied or close, the defense is trying their hardest to stop the TD; during the victory formation, the defense stands up and touches the guys in front of them.

Do you see it now?

Just like you wouldn't give the same credit to a defense for stopping the run during a victory formation, I don't give credit to a RB who comes in after the fight, against a defense that's defeated, tired, and just wants to see the clock hit 00:00 so they can take a shower and go home.

Boutte · 09-24-2013, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by dueceloose

Any videos of Khiry running vs Cards

dueceloose · 09-25-2013, 12:15 AM

Watches the gif over and over.

dueceloose · 09-25-2013, 12:16 AM

He reminds me a lot of PT the way he puts his hand down and cuts.

Jack Vegas · 09-25-2013, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Just like you wouldn't give the same credit to a defense for stopping the run during a victory formation, I don't give credit to a RB who comes in after the fight, against a defense that's defeated, tired, and just wants to see the clock hit 00:00 so they can take a shower and go home.

And this is why I specifically pointed out carries 1 and 4 (Q4, 4:26 and Q4, 2:14).

These were both situations where the defense had all the gaps covered and the flow of the play was stopped, yet Robinson made something out of it anyway. Those plays had nothing to do with the defense being tired.

If Robinson had simply run through a couple of weak arm tackles, I might agree with you. But those plays were about his instincts and ability to find a hole that didn't exist relative to the original play call.

Originally Posted by dueceloose

He reminds me a lot of PT the way he puts his hand down and cuts.

He reminds me of both PT and Ivory in different ways. PT for the way he kind of shimmies his way around a tackle to get a couple of extra yards, same way Deuce used to do it too. And Ivory for the way he gets going so fast. Two steps and he's at full speed before he even hits the line.

I think the kid has the total package. The two big questions are, can he stay healthy, and can he block? Those are the two things that kept Ivory from becoming a much bigger part of the offense than he ended up being.

TheOak · 09-25-2013, 08:13 AM

Lets recap Khiry Robinsons tenure with the Saints according to a % of fans.

Preseason - "He was running against second string defenses."
Chiefs 12-52 4.3 AVE
Raiders 10-50 5.0 AVE
Texans 5-11 2.1 AVE
Dolphins 22-115 5.2 AVE

Regular Season - "The opponent gave up"
Cardinals 4-38 yards 9.5 AVE 21-Long

Now the rationalization that Khiry Robinson didn't get carries in weeks 1-2 and until the 4th Qtr because Sean Payton doesn't have faith in him.

1. Does anyone think Robinson would be on this team if Sean Payton didn't have any faith in him? Wouldn't it have been a whole lot easier to keep Cadet and give Robinson's roster spot to another position if Sean didnt think he could get it done?

2. I don't think Robinson or Cadet ran in weeks 1-2 because Sean was giving Ingram his chance to prove him self. That chance only goes so far when it hinders our running game.

Now lets look at that SECOND HALF (score S14-C7) and not the 4th Qtr., after 1/2 time adjustments against Arizona when they were "gassed and tired and defeated". I cant wait for these excuses..

Pierre Thomas - 8/33 4.1 AVE
Khiry Robinson - 4/38 9.5 AVE
Darren Sproles - 3/17 5.6 AVE

So the Cardinals gave up at the 1/2 only 1 TD behind and that's why we were able to run? Even if you cut Robins AVE in half he AVE 4.75 YPC.

Let it go... He ran just as well as PT and Sproles in the Second half even with his production cut in half. Khiry Robin is good and he can run, the only questions i have is can he stay healthy and can he keep the ball secure; so far he has not proven he cant do both... No less than any of our other RBs.

Utah_Saint · 09-25-2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

the only questions i have is can he stay healthy and can he keep the ball secure; so far he has not proven he cant do both... No less than any of our other RBs.

He also needs to know his pass protections and blitz pick ups. I think that might be the biggest reason why he hasn't gotten into games yet. The offensive line is having enough trouble as it is.

09-24-2013, 06:22 PM	#91
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by ikecomp While I agree it matters the situation he was in, I also believe if that had been ingram he wouldn't have done as well. So ultimately, the point remains that we think Krob is better. Only way to prove it is to give him some touches. Who is saying anything about Ingram? Where did I mention Ingram?

09-24-2013, 06:37 PM	#93
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Boutte I just don't understand how anybody can have watched Ingram for two years and sees anything more than an average (at best) RB. And the "every time he comes it's a run" arguement goes right out the window when look at what Ivory did when given a chance because it was the same situation for him. And really, in the grand scheme of things, Pierre Thomas, Darren Sproles and Chris Ivory all had more yards per carry than Ingram. Maybe we're not using Ingram right. Maybe he needs 20+ carries per game. Maybe he needs to get more involved in the passing game. Maybe he needs to run outside the tackles or sweeps more. But in the end does it really matter what the cause is? Predictability, poor blocking, injury, strong headwinds, what ever the reason, the bottom line is, it's just not working.

09-24-2013, 06:51 PM	#94
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Jack Vegas How so? I am simply showing you what Robinson does that is good; if a baseball player has a really good swing, then he can probably hit home runs off of good pitchers too, not just bad ones. Does Robinson have a good swing? Sure looks like it from what we've seen. And that's great and all, but if you didn't notice, PT and Sproles did that as well and much more, and couldn't gain a yard the first half. Now going against a defeated, tired defense that's just going through the motions waiting for the game to end, yeah, anyone can look good. This analogy makes less than zero sense. I have re-read this sentence at least five times and I am still like "WTF is he talking about?" The two situations have absolutely nothing in common, except they are both things that take place on a football field. Really? Both situations have nothing in common? Both a 2 yard loss during a goal line stand and a kneel down count as a running play for a 2 yard loss. But the situations are rather different, right? During the goal line stand, especially when the game is tied or close, the defense is trying their hardest to stop the TD; during the victory formation, the defense stands up and touches the guys in front of them. Do you see it now? Just like you wouldn't give the same credit to a defense for stopping the run during a victory formation, I don't give credit to a RB who comes in after the fight, against a defense that's defeated, tired, and just wants to see the clock hit 00:00 so they can take a shower and go home.
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09-24-2013, 11:43 PM	#95
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by dueceloose Any videos of Khiry running vs Cards

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09-25-2013, 07:06 AM	#98
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Just like you wouldn't give the same credit to a defense for stopping the run during a victory formation, I don't give credit to a RB who comes in after the fight, against a defense that's defeated, tired, and just wants to see the clock hit 00:00 so they can take a shower and go home. And this is why I specifically pointed out carries 1 and 4 (Q4, 4:26 and Q4, 2:14). These were both situations where the defense had all the gaps covered and the flow of the play was stopped, yet Robinson made something out of it anyway. Those plays had nothing to do with the defense being tired. If Robinson had simply run through a couple of weak arm tackles, I might agree with you. But those plays were about his instincts and ability to find a hole that didn't exist relative to the original play call. Originally Posted by dueceloose He reminds me a lot of PT the way he puts his hand down and cuts. He reminds me of both PT and Ivory in different ways. PT for the way he kind of shimmies his way around a tackle to get a couple of extra yards, same way Deuce used to do it too. And Ivory for the way he gets going so fast. Two steps and he's at full speed before he even hits the line. I think the kid has the total package. The two big questions are, can he stay healthy, and can he block? Those are the two things that kept Ivory from becoming a much bigger part of the offense than he ended up being.
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09-25-2013, 08:13 AM	#99
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Lets recap Khiry Robinsons tenure with the Saints according to a % of fans. Preseason - "He was running against second string defenses." Chiefs 12-52 4.3 AVE Raiders 10-50 5.0 AVE Texans 5-11 2.1 AVE Dolphins 22-115 5.2 AVE Regular Season - "The opponent gave up" Cardinals 4-38 yards 9.5 AVE 21-Long Now the rationalization that Khiry Robinson didn't get carries in weeks 1-2 and until the 4th Qtr because Sean Payton doesn't have faith in him. 1. Does anyone think Robinson would be on this team if Sean Payton didn't have any faith in him? Wouldn't it have been a whole lot easier to keep Cadet and give Robinson's roster spot to another position if Sean didnt think he could get it done? 2. I don't think Robinson or Cadet ran in weeks 1-2 because Sean was giving Ingram his chance to prove him self. That chance only goes so far when it hinders our running game. Now lets look at that SECOND HALF (score S14-C7) and not the 4th Qtr., after 1/2 time adjustments against Arizona when they were "gassed and tired and defeated". I cant wait for these excuses.. Pierre Thomas - 8/33 4.1 AVE Khiry Robinson - 4/38 9.5 AVE Darren Sproles - 3/17 5.6 AVE So the Cardinals gave up at the 1/2 only 1 TD behind and that's why we were able to run? Even if you cut Robins AVE in half he AVE 4.75 YPC. Let it go... He ran just as well as PT and Sproles in the Second half even with his production cut in half. Khiry Robin is good and he can run, the only questions i have is can he stay healthy and can he keep the ball secure; so far he has not proven he cant do both... No less than any of our other RBs. Utah_Saint likes this.
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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by TheOak the only questions i have is can he stay healthy and can he keep the ball secure; so far he has not proven he cant do both... No less than any of our other RBs. He also needs to know his pass protections and blitz pick ups. I think that might be the biggest reason why he hasn't gotten into games yet. The offensive line is having enough trouble as it is.

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