How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL

the-commish · 09-26-2013, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Goes to be an assistant with the Ravens, heaps all that praise about how much more talented they are and blah blah.

Fast forward to the present and the Ravens defense is very average in spite of all their talent. Meanwhile the same Saints team that supposedly had no talent is getting respect from all the media nerds, and Rex Ryan who they completely trashed despite some obvious mitigating circumstances in Dallas is some kind of wizard of defense.

Makes you wonder if any of these eggheads have any clue at all. The only people who at all predicted improvement for the Saints D were the fans and some local media, who correctly recognized that the Saints existing personnel was already a better fit for a 34 defense.

I love it when these people are made to look stupid.

I don't think it's necessarily being a better fit for a 3-4 vs a 4-3, although that is part of the improvement. The Saints have gotten a lot of pressure on passing downs rushing 4 without blitzing (in other words, playing 4 down defensive linemen); and a team can expect to be in "base" defense only about 30% of the time.

I really think a talent infusion has a lot to do with the improvement. John Jenkins in the middle; Junior Galette being a "starter" rather than a situational player, Tyrunn Walker (who had no snaps last season, and was inactive for 15 of the 16 games) and Glenn Foster rotating in and getting push; Keenan Lewis covering on the back end; and, of course, Kenny Vaccaro.

And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed.

SaintnDE · 09-26-2013, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by the-commish

And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed.

Between him and Vacarro, I don't know who fires them up the most...but whomever it is, keep rockin' it. I spent the last two days rewatching the game on NFL rewind just to watch the defense.

When the hell was that last time that happened?!?!?

Rugby Saint II · 09-27-2013, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by SaintnDE

Between him and Vacarro, I don't know who fires them up the most...but whomever it is, keep rockin' it. I spent the last two days rewatching the game on NFL rewind just to watch the defense.

When the hell was that last time that happened?!?!?

'09!

|Mitch| · 09-27-2013, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

'09!

I believe this years defense is better than it was in '09...

Saintswrath · 09-29-2013, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I believe this years defense is better than it was in '09...

Monday night on primetime TV we'll see if they are the real deal.. Dolphins suited up Offense is going to challenge them.

Jack Vegas · 09-26-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by the-commish

I really think a talent infusion has a lot to do with the improvement.

Don't get me wrong, there is some new talent, but look at what Spagnuolo still had available to him.

Galette
Jordan
Lofton
Hawthorne
Hicks

That is arguably the five best players on our defense this year, and they were all there last year, he just didn't have a clue what to do with them.

He also had:

Walker
Bunkley
Johnson
Greer
Harper
Jenkins
Robinson
Bush

All guys that have played well and been a big part of the defense at one time or another.

adding Vaccaro, Jenkins, Lewis, Haralson, Foster, etc. has been great, but looking at the above list of players and knowing now how good they actually can be, is there any excuse for that being anything close to the worst defense in the league (much less the worst in history or whatever). And all this time we've been sitting here having to hear about how the Saints defense "doesn't have any talent". Which was an idea I never bought into, but how are you gonna argue against it when the numbers are so bad?

09-26-2013, 11:58 AM	#1
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Goes to be an assistant with the Ravens, heaps all that praise about how much more talented they are and blah blah. Fast forward to the present and the Ravens defense is very average in spite of all their talent. Meanwhile the same Saints team that supposedly had no talent is getting respect from all the media nerds, and Rex Ryan who they completely trashed despite some obvious mitigating circumstances in Dallas is some kind of wizard of defense. Makes you wonder if any of these eggheads have any clue at all. The only people who at all predicted improvement for the Saints D were the fans and some local media, who correctly recognized that the Saints existing personnel was already a better fit for a 34 defense. I love it when these people are made to look stupid. I don't think it's necessarily being a better fit for a 3-4 vs a 4-3, although that is part of the improvement. The Saints have gotten a lot of pressure on passing downs rushing 4 without blitzing (in other words, playing 4 down defensive linemen); and a team can expect to be in "base" defense only about 30% of the time. I really think a talent infusion has a lot to do with the improvement. John Jenkins in the middle; Junior Galette being a "starter" rather than a situational player, Tyrunn Walker (who had no snaps last season, and was inactive for 15 of the 16 games) and Glenn Foster rotating in and getting push; Keenan Lewis covering on the back end; and, of course, Kenny Vaccaro. And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed. Boutte likes this.

09-26-2013, 12:43 PM	#2
SaintnDE 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 443	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by the-commish And Rob Ryan... what can I say? He has made this defense feel good about itself... feel that they can stop anyone, and come up with the big play when needed. Between him and Vacarro, I don't know who fires them up the most...but whomever it is, keep rockin' it. I spent the last two days rewatching the game on NFL rewind just to watch the defense. When the hell was that last time that happened?!?!? Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-27-2013, 05:42 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by SaintnDE Between him and Vacarro, I don't know who fires them up the most...but whomever it is, keep rockin' it. I spent the last two days rewatching the game on NFL rewind just to watch the defense. When the hell was that last time that happened?!?!? '09!

09-27-2013, 05:48 PM	#4
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II '09! I believe this years defense is better than it was in '09... Danno likes this.

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Saintswrath +Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between 504 & 813 Posts: 1,776 Blog Entries: 4	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I believe this years defense is better than it was in '09... Monday night on primetime TV we'll see if they are the real deal.. Dolphins suited up Offense is going to challenge them.

09-26-2013, 01:34 PM	#6
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: How bad does Spagnuolo look now? LOL Originally Posted by the-commish I really think a talent infusion has a lot to do with the improvement. Don't get me wrong, there is some new talent, but look at what Spagnuolo still had available to him. Galette Jordan Lofton Hawthorne Hicks That is arguably the five best players on our defense this year, and they were all there last year, he just didn't have a clue what to do with them. He also had: Walker Bunkley Johnson Greer Harper Jenkins Robinson Bush All guys that have played well and been a big part of the defense at one time or another. adding Vaccaro, Jenkins, Lewis, Haralson, Foster, etc. has been great, but looking at the above list of players and knowing now how good they actually can be, is there any excuse for that being anything close to the worst defense in the league (much less the worst in history or whatever). And all this time we've been sitting here having to hear about how the Saints defense "doesn't have any talent". Which was an idea I never bought into, but how are you gonna argue against it when the numbers are so bad?
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