AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it

xan · 10-01-2013, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

To be fair, they all were stuffed behind the line last night. The power running game is nil but Payton is using the short passing game to compensate.

I don't think that 'fair' or perspective applies when some evaluate Ingram. Those same people would be screaming to cut Adrian Peterson if he were playing behind this line, claiming that his knee is crap.

Robinson did squadouche until the game was out of reach and the heavy package was installed. Even then we were passing to compensate for Robinson's inability to create when hit in the backfield.

The running game starts and ends with the o-line. Last night should relegate arguments otherwise to the same level as Holocaust and Global Warming Deniers.

nutria · 10-01-2013, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The interior of our line hasn't looked good. Grubbs and DLP.

Grubbs got body slammed once, they were manhandled in the first half.

DISPLACEDFAN · 10-01-2013, 09:07 AM

We have to sure up that run defense as well. Have been getting gashed in that area. I don't wanna see another repeat beast mode performance

TheOak · 10-01-2013, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by xan

I don't think that 'fair' or perspective applies when some evaluate Ingram. Those same people would be screaming to cut Adrian Peterson if he were playing behind this line, claiming that his knee is crap.

Robinson did squadouche until the game was out of reach and the heavy package was installed. Even then we were passing to compensate for Robinson's inability to create when hit in the backfield.

The running game starts and ends with the o-line. Last night should relegate arguments otherwise to the same level as Holocaust and Global Warming Deniers.

Well there you have it. Our O-Line causes global warming.

Although Strief is middle-high German, I feel safe in saying there is no correlation between our o-line and the holocaust.

jeanpierre · 10-01-2013, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

I am a purist in that I believe we will exit early in the playoffs without a consistent run game.

Budsdrinker · 10-01-2013, 09:51 AM

If the last 2 games don't prove anything for you Ingram bashers I don't know what will. OL is being man handled. Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. His only good runs were towards the end of the game when the outcome was determined but even then the fins was still getting penetration. We are actually running better to the right side right now and only when we bring in an Harris as a TE for extra blocking. Someone tweeted last night even Barry Sanders would struggle behind our OL and I believe it.

iceshack149 · 10-01-2013, 09:57 AM

I thought that this would be another thread about Hardly. Old Sugar Tits is back to freaking me out EVERY time he kicks.

ikecomp · 10-01-2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

If the last 2 games don't prove anything for you Ingram bashers I don't know what will. OL is being man handled. Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. His only good runs were towards the end of the game when the outcome was determined but even then the fins was still getting penetration. We are actually running better to the right side right now and only when we bring in an Harris as a TE for extra blocking. Someone tweeted last night even Barry Sanders would struggle behind our OL and I believe it.

Hold your horses there. I still saw some plays from robinson that were positive but could have easily been negatives if ingram was in. Particularly, there was one play where he carried guys for an extra 2-3 years. Usually, ingram is stood up and the play is over.

I don't want to get into a whole debate as there are already threads for that, so I will say I wholeheartedly agree about the state of our oline. It appears this zone blocking run scheme isn't working very well in addition to our lineman getting manhandled. The short passing/screen game that payton is using to supplement the run game won't go very far when we face teams that have linebackers that can cover and tackle in open space.

Michigan_SF · 10-01-2013, 11:27 AM

Darren Sharper was on the MNF Westwood radio broadcast last night. He said that the Saints spend so much time practicing pass blocking that they don't have the right mindset in a game for run blocking. He seems to think the practices are so unbalanced they affect the game.

Jack Vegas · 10-01-2013, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar.

If Ingram were averaging 3.1, that would be a major improvement from him.

It seems to me Ingram is by far the most ill-suited back we have to play in a zone blocking system. PT, Robinson, Sproles and even Cadet from what little we've seen of him are cutback-style runners and that is what a ZBS caters to.

Ingram is not that kind of player. That is just who he is. Not bashing him outright, just saying he doesn't fit this style of offense.

As for the o-line I am very disappointed in Ben Grubbs this year. Evans is hurt, that is understandable. DLP to some extent is the product of being sandwiched between two very good guards, he does his job very well but he's not a dominant player on his own. So his performance is going to go hand-in-hand with the guards. But Grubbs is a much, much better player than what we've seen from him this year and he doesn't have the injury excuse. Hopefully Evans gets over his back thing soon.

10-01-2013, 08:22 AM	#21
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by TheOak To be fair, they all were stuffed behind the line last night. The power running game is nil but Payton is using the short passing game to compensate. I don't think that 'fair' or perspective applies when some evaluate Ingram. Those same people would be screaming to cut Adrian Peterson if he were playing behind this line, claiming that his knee is crap. Robinson did squadouche until the game was out of reach and the heavy package was installed. Even then we were passing to compensate for Robinson's inability to create when hit in the backfield. The running game starts and ends with the o-line. Last night should relegate arguments otherwise to the same level as Holocaust and Global Warming Deniers. iceshack149, jnormand and WHODATINCA like this.

10-01-2013, 08:42 AM	#22
nutria Sac-A-Lait Join Date: May 2006 Location: Prairieville, LA Posts: 262	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by rezburna The interior of our line hasn't looked good. Grubbs and DLP. Grubbs got body slammed once, they were manhandled in the first half.

10-01-2013, 09:07 AM	#23
DISPLACEDFAN 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: corning,ny Posts: 518	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it We have to sure up that run defense as well. Have been getting gashed in that area. I don't wanna see another repeat beast mode performance

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by xan I don't think that 'fair' or perspective applies when some evaluate Ingram. Those same people would be screaming to cut Adrian Peterson if he were playing behind this line, claiming that his knee is crap. Robinson did squadouche until the game was out of reach and the heavy package was installed. Even then we were passing to compensate for Robinson's inability to create when hit in the backfield. The running game starts and ends with the o-line. Last night should relegate arguments otherwise to the same level as Holocaust and Global Warming Deniers. Well there you have it. Our O-Line causes global warming. Although Strief is middle-high German, I feel safe in saying there is no correlation between our o-line and the holocaust.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint I am a purist in that I believe we will exit early in the playoffs without a consistent run game.

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it If the last 2 games don't prove anything for you Ingram bashers I don't know what will. OL is being man handled. Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. His only good runs were towards the end of the game when the outcome was determined but even then the fins was still getting penetration. We are actually running better to the right side right now and only when we bring in an Harris as a TE for extra blocking. Someone tweeted last night even Barry Sanders would struggle behind our OL and I believe it.

10-01-2013, 09:57 AM	#27
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it I thought that this would be another thread about Hardly. Old Sugar Tits is back to freaking me out EVERY time he kicks. RockyMountainSaint and 73Saint like this.

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ikecomp 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 329	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker If the last 2 games don't prove anything for you Ingram bashers I don't know what will. OL is being man handled. Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. His only good runs were towards the end of the game when the outcome was determined but even then the fins was still getting penetration. We are actually running better to the right side right now and only when we bring in an Harris as a TE for extra blocking. Someone tweeted last night even Barry Sanders would struggle behind our OL and I believe it. Hold your horses there. I still saw some plays from robinson that were positive but could have easily been negatives if ingram was in. Particularly, there was one play where he carried guys for an extra 2-3 years. Usually, ingram is stood up and the play is over. I don't want to get into a whole debate as there are already threads for that, so I will say I wholeheartedly agree about the state of our oline. It appears this zone blocking run scheme isn't working very well in addition to our lineman getting manhandled. The short passing/screen game that payton is using to supplement the run game won't go very far when we face teams that have linebackers that can cover and tackle in open space.
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Michigan_SF 100th Post Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 407	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Darren Sharper was on the MNF Westwood radio broadcast last night. He said that the Saints spend so much time practicing pass blocking that they don't have the right mindset in a game for run blocking. He seems to think the practices are so unbalanced they affect the game.
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10-01-2013, 11:30 AM	#30
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. If Ingram were averaging 3.1, that would be a major improvement from him. It seems to me Ingram is by far the most ill-suited back we have to play in a zone blocking system. PT, Robinson, Sproles and even Cadet from what little we've seen of him are cutback-style runners and that is what a ZBS caters to. Ingram is not that kind of player. That is just who he is. Not bashing him outright, just saying he doesn't fit this style of offense. As for the o-line I am very disappointed in Ben Grubbs this year. Evans is hurt, that is understandable. DLP to some extent is the product of being sandwiched between two very good guards, he does his job very well but he's not a dominant player on his own. So his performance is going to go hand-in-hand with the guards. But Grubbs is a much, much better player than what we've seen from him this year and he doesn't have the injury excuse. Hopefully Evans gets over his back thing soon.
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