AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it

neugey · 10-01-2013, 11:57 AM

Some constructive criticism here. Since running between the tackles this year is an iffy proposition at best with our OL, we need to run outside more. I would like to see more tosses and stretch plays. Let our tight-ends and Collins get out on the perimeter and lead the way. Toon and Colston are pretty physical wideouts who should be able to block. Also, our OL looks so much better blocking on those screens, so hopefully they'd also look a bit better pulling outside and blocking.

At this point our best bet of running the ball up the middle is on draws out of various formations.

The one call that blew my mind last night was a first-and-5 play inside the opponents 20 ... and we came out in an empty backfield. I know the NFL is a passing league and it's our strength, but at least put a back in there and make them respect the threat of a delay route out of the backfield, if not a draw.

The Dude · 10-01-2013, 12:13 PM

Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played.

hagan714 · 10-01-2013, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

If the last 2 games don't prove anything for you Ingram bashers I don't know what will. OL is being man handled. Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. His only good runs were towards the end of the game when the outcome was determined but even then the fins was still getting penetration. We are actually running better to the right side right now and only when we bring in an Harris as a TE for extra blocking. Someone tweeted last night even Barry Sanders would struggle behind our OL and I believe it.

i have always said it is not his fault. the OL is not built to play smash mouth football. been saying that for two years now

xan · 10-01-2013, 01:12 PM

Those arguing that MI would have done worse than KR would have to have both playing in the same game running the same play in the same circumstances to even have a hope of arguing intellectual honesty in their assertion.

Just admit you're an irrational hater and stop the pretense that your conclusion is based on fact.

Budsdrinker · 10-01-2013, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played.

In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards.
He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this.
+4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5.
Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

|Mitch| · 10-01-2013, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

4-0 pass to open up the run seems to be working...

ScottF · 10-01-2013, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I don't think it's Ingram as much as the OC and Sean Payton are changing our scheme. Our offense has looked a lot better the past 2 weeks, period. It's not Ingram per se.

Yes, they are recognizing what works (5 wide w/ short passes) and what doesn't (running). We'd all love to see more production in the run game, but Drew's reads in the short passing game have been unbelievable.
A RB (Sproles) getting 100+ receiving is fine by me

Rugby Saint II · 10-01-2013, 01:51 PM

Our line looks nothing like the '09 line. Not the same personnel or execution.

ScottF · 10-01-2013, 02:02 PM

Lot to consider-
-new receivers might be taking a split second longer to get open- Toon, --Stills, and new Meachem are not Moore, Henderson and old Meachem
-to me it seems Brees is holding the ball more than in years past
-zero run game equals more blitzes and pressure
-who knows if Evans is 100%?

Barry from MS · 10-01-2013, 02:06 PM

After a 4 game sample size, we can certainly assess that the O-line is the top weakness of this 2013 team. I have seen improvement since Game 1 in pass protection and especially the 2nd half of last night's game, but the run blocking cannot function this way for the long haul.

10-01-2013, 11:57 AM	#31
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Some constructive criticism here. Since running between the tackles this year is an iffy proposition at best with our OL, we need to run outside more. I would like to see more tosses and stretch plays. Let our tight-ends and Collins get out on the perimeter and lead the way. Toon and Colston are pretty physical wideouts who should be able to block. Also, our OL looks so much better blocking on those screens, so hopefully they'd also look a bit better pulling outside and blocking. At this point our best bet of running the ball up the middle is on draws out of various formations. The one call that blew my mind last night was a first-and-5 play inside the opponents 20 ... and we came out in an empty backfield. I know the NFL is a passing league and it's our strength, but at least put a back in there and make them respect the threat of a delay route out of the backfield, if not a draw. the-commish and WHODATINCA like this.

10-01-2013, 12:13 PM	#32
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played. WHODATINCA likes this.
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10-01-2013, 01:02 PM	#33
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker If the last 2 games don't prove anything for you Ingram bashers I don't know what will. OL is being man handled. Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. His only good runs were towards the end of the game when the outcome was determined but even then the fins was still getting penetration. We are actually running better to the right side right now and only when we bring in an Harris as a TE for extra blocking. Someone tweeted last night even Barry Sanders would struggle behind our OL and I believe it. i have always said it is not his fault. the OL is not built to play smash mouth football. been saying that for two years now

10-01-2013, 01:12 PM	#34
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Those arguing that MI would have done worse than KR would have to have both playing in the same game running the same play in the same circumstances to even have a hope of arguing intellectual honesty in their assertion. Just admit you're an irrational hater and stop the pretense that your conclusion is based on fact.

10-01-2013, 01:15 PM	#35
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by The Dude Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played. In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards. He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter. His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this. +4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5. Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

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10-01-2013, 01:20 PM	#36
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that. 4-0 pass to open up the run seems to be working...

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Halo I don't think it's Ingram as much as the OC and Sean Payton are changing our scheme. Our offense has looked a lot better the past 2 weeks, period. It's not Ingram per se. Yes, they are recognizing what works (5 wide w/ short passes) and what doesn't (running). We'd all love to see more production in the run game, but Drew's reads in the short passing game have been unbelievable. A RB (Sproles) getting 100+ receiving is fine by me

10-01-2013, 01:51 PM	#38
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Our line looks nothing like the '09 line. Not the same personnel or execution.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Lot to consider- -new receivers might be taking a split second longer to get open- Toon, --Stills, and new Meachem are not Moore, Henderson and old Meachem -to me it seems Brees is holding the ball more than in years past -zero run game equals more blitzes and pressure -who knows if Evans is 100%?

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Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it After a 4 game sample size, we can certainly assess that the O-line is the top weakness of this 2013 team. I have seen improvement since Game 1 in pass protection and especially the 2nd half of last night's game, but the run blocking cannot function this way for the long haul.

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