AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it

hagan714 · 10-01-2013, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

If the last 2 games don't prove anything for you Ingram bashers I don't know what will. OL is being man handled. Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. His only good runs were towards the end of the game when the outcome was determined but even then the fins was still getting penetration. We are actually running better to the right side right now and only when we bring in an Harris as a TE for extra blocking. Someone tweeted last night even Barry Sanders would struggle behind our OL and I believe it.

i have always said it is not his fault. the OL is not built to play smash mouth football. been saying that for two years now

Michigan_SF · 10-01-2013, 10:27 AM

Darren Sharper was on the MNF Westwood radio broadcast last night. He said that the Saints spend so much time practicing pass blocking that they don't have the right mindset in a game for run blocking. He seems to think the practices are so unbalanced they affect the game.

neugey · 10-01-2013, 10:57 AM

Some constructive criticism here. Since running between the tackles this year is an iffy proposition at best with our OL, we need to run outside more. I would like to see more tosses and stretch plays. Let our tight-ends and Collins get out on the perimeter and lead the way. Toon and Colston are pretty physical wideouts who should be able to block. Also, our OL looks so much better blocking on those screens, so hopefully they'd also look a bit better pulling outside and blocking.

At this point our best bet of running the ball up the middle is on draws out of various formations.

The one call that blew my mind last night was a first-and-5 play inside the opponents 20 ... and we came out in an empty backfield. I know the NFL is a passing league and it's our strength, but at least put a back in there and make them respect the threat of a delay route out of the backfield, if not a draw.

The Dude · 10-01-2013, 11:13 AM

Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played.

Budsdrinker · 10-01-2013, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played.

In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards.
He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this.
+4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5.
Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

|Mitch| · 10-01-2013, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

4-0 pass to open up the run seems to be working...

The Dude · 10-01-2013, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards.
He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this.
+4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5.
Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now.

neugey · 10-01-2013, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now.

KR looked a lot more shifty and slippery running forward than MI. A lot.

blackangold · 10-01-2013, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards.
He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter.
His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this.
+4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5.
Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

The odd assessment here is they aren't backing off the run game at that point. When we have run the ball effectively is toward the end of the game when we are winning by multiple scores and every one knows we are going to run. The teams haven't been defending the pass during our best runs of the season, rather they have stacked the box because we are coming out in run heavy formations and trying to drain the clock. Yet when we do this and get nothing (1.7 YPC) with Ingram people proclaim the play calling was too predictable, well what about when Robinson has got the carries? All of Robinson's carries have been predictable and ran out of heavy sets.

xan · 10-01-2013, 12:12 PM

Those arguing that MI would have done worse than KR would have to have both playing in the same game running the same play in the same circumstances to even have a hope of arguing intellectual honesty in their assertion.

Just admit you're an irrational hater and stop the pretense that your conclusion is based on fact.

10-01-2013, 12:02 PM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker If the last 2 games don't prove anything for you Ingram bashers I don't know what will. OL is being man handled. Robinson managed a 3.1 ave sounds familiar. His only good runs were towards the end of the game when the outcome was determined but even then the fins was still getting penetration. We are actually running better to the right side right now and only when we bring in an Harris as a TE for extra blocking. Someone tweeted last night even Barry Sanders would struggle behind our OL and I believe it. i have always said it is not his fault. the OL is not built to play smash mouth football. been saying that for two years now

10-01-2013, 10:27 AM	#2
Michigan_SF 100th Post Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 407	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Darren Sharper was on the MNF Westwood radio broadcast last night. He said that the Saints spend so much time practicing pass blocking that they don't have the right mindset in a game for run blocking. He seems to think the practices are so unbalanced they affect the game.
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10-01-2013, 10:57 AM	#3
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Some constructive criticism here. Since running between the tackles this year is an iffy proposition at best with our OL, we need to run outside more. I would like to see more tosses and stretch plays. Let our tight-ends and Collins get out on the perimeter and lead the way. Toon and Colston are pretty physical wideouts who should be able to block. Also, our OL looks so much better blocking on those screens, so hopefully they'd also look a bit better pulling outside and blocking. At this point our best bet of running the ball up the middle is on draws out of various formations. The one call that blew my mind last night was a first-and-5 play inside the opponents 20 ... and we came out in an empty backfield. I know the NFL is a passing league and it's our strength, but at least put a back in there and make them respect the threat of a delay route out of the backfield, if not a draw. the-commish and WHODATINCA like this.

10-01-2013, 11:13 AM	#4
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played. WHODATINCA likes this.
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10-01-2013, 12:15 PM	#5
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by The Dude Robinson had one or two nice runs in the beginning of the game. He was no AP. But Ingram probably would have taken a loss. Even though it was towards the end of the game tHey read the run and stuffed him well and he was still able to move the pile. He was making gains when there were no holes, something Ingram has failed to do. The dolphins line is a lot better than anyone elses we have played. In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards. He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter. His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this. +4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5. Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that.

10-01-2013, 12:20 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that. 4-0 pass to open up the run seems to be working...

10-01-2013, 03:41 PM	#7
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards. He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter. His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this. +4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5. Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that. I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now.
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10-01-2013, 04:24 PM	#8
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by The Dude I just like the potential I see in KR. The way he runs, the authority. He has an upside. I think we have already seen MI ceiling. We know what we have in MI, he has had 3 years to get it done. KR deserves a chance now. KR looked a lot more shifty and slippery running forward than MI. A lot.

10-01-2013, 05:21 PM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Originally Posted by Budsdrinker In the first half he ran for +4, -3, +1 so my math says 3 carries for 2 yards. He didn't run again until towards the end of the 3rd quarter. His big runs came in the 4th quarter. His runs went like this. +4,-3,+1,+6,-1,+11,+10,+6,+2,+1,-5,+5. Look, I don't love Ingram more than any other RB that we have but I think most everyone is being unfair to him. The last 2 weeks have shown that no one on this team can run effectively behind our OL in the first half. We have to force them to back off the line defending the pass to open up the run game right now and we need to fix that. The odd assessment here is they aren't backing off the run game at that point. When we have run the ball effectively is toward the end of the game when we are winning by multiple scores and every one knows we are going to run. The teams haven't been defending the pass during our best runs of the season, rather they have stacked the box because we are coming out in run heavy formations and trying to drain the clock. Yet when we do this and get nothing (1.7 YPC) with Ingram people proclaim the play calling was too predictable, well what about when Robinson has got the carries? All of Robinson's carries have been predictable and ran out of heavy sets.

10-01-2013, 12:12 PM	#10
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: AWESOME WIN....but somebody has to say it Those arguing that MI would have done worse than KR would have to have both playing in the same game running the same play in the same circumstances to even have a hope of arguing intellectual honesty in their assertion. Just admit you're an irrational hater and stop the pretense that your conclusion is based on fact.

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